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    Pre & Post Workout Patch Write-Up


    AgeForceŽ HGH Supplements from our USA-FDA certified labs


    AgeForceŽ Pre & Post Workout Patch
    Nitric Oxide Booster And Post Workout Recovery

    Our New Exclusive 2-Stage Time-Release Formula Takes Nitric Oxide
    Boosters And Post-Workout Recovery To A New Level!
    • Stage l – Rapid release of the Nitric Oxide boosting formula directly into the bloodstream, insures a rapid and sustained synthesis of Nitric Oxide (NO) level ramp-up before and during your workout! This process begins as soon as the patch is applied.

    • Stage 2 – The patch features a delayed time-release of the second formula to speed post-workout recovery between workouts.

    Introducing the first combined Pre & Post workout supplement in a 2-stage transdermal time-release patch! There are dozens of great “oral” pre-workout Nitric Oxide boosters and post-workout recovery supplements on the market. But until now, nobody has combined these two important supplements, and no company offers them in a time-release transdermal patch!

    Two specialized formulas delivered when you need them with 2 separate time-release delivery.
    Unlike “oral” Nitric Oxide supplements, our powerful Nitric Oxide boosting formula. (Stage 1) begins direct delivery to your bloodstream as soon as you apply the patch, with continuous ongoing formula release for about 4-hours. Other “oral” Nitric Oxide supplements (Even the best formulas) take several hours before they even start to work, because they must first be processed in the stomach, and then transit the small intestines where the remaining formula is absorbed into the bloodstream. (Stage 2) After the timed-release of the Nitric Oxide boosting formula finishes, our second stage delayed time-release kicks in. This is the advanced Post-Workout Recovery formula. This delayed time-release starts about 4-hours after the patch was first applied and it also continues for about 4-hours.
    Two Powerful New Formulas Delivered When You Need Them!

    The Pre-Workout Nitric Oxide boosting formula delivers a massive amount of L-Arginine, along with Citrulline, Folic Acid (B9) and other specialized amplifiers, directly into your bloodstream, for about 4-hours! This first stage insures that the synthesis of Nitric Oxide (NO) starts immediately, and that a safe, powerful Nitric Oxide level ramp-up continues during your workout! Pre-Workout Nitric Oxide Boosting formula

    The Post Workout Recovery formula is delivered via a delayed time-release function built into the patch.
    The post-workout formula contains L-Lysine, Coenzyme Q10, and other specialized amplifiers. The patch’s second stage starts transdermal delivery about 4-hours after the patch is first applied. Post-Workout Recovery formula

    Trainers & Athletes know that increasing Nitric Oxide levels before and during workouts will help you to elevate strength, stamina, bodybuilding, endurance, focus, and intensity!


    Nitric Oxide is one of the most important molecules produced by your blood vessels for cardiovascular health.

    Young Or Older, Nitric Oxide Is The Athlete’s Secret Weapon
    - Nitric oxide increases blood flow while lowering your blood pressure. This increase of blood volume to muscle tissues increases the delivery of nutrients to your muscles while you workout. A good Nitric Oxide supplement, one that elevates natural Nitric Oxide levels, can increase strength, energy, bodybuilding, endurance, and stamina.

    Over 40
    - As you age, your body slowly loses its ability to produce adequate Nitric Oxide. But you can safely boost Nitric Oxide levels with our new 2-stage time-release patch and enjoy explosive workout performance! If you're under 40 you can take your workouts to the next level by elevating your Nitric Oxide levels. Increased blood flow without an additional demand on your cardiovascular system is the key to more productive workouts and exercise.

    A Formula Like No Others!
    Our Research & Development team has put together two natural formulas. The first formula elevates Nitric Oxide levels quickly and safely, and then the second formula supports faster post-workout recovery. Our Pre & Post Workout transdermal patch formula is delivered directly into your bloodstream, so it retains 100% of its strength and starts to work seconds after you apply the patch, as opposed to oral Nitric Oxide booster supplements that can take several hours to enter the bloodstream as they must first navigate the slow digestive process. Please take a moment to read about the various ingredients in this great new advanced formula!

    About Nitric Oxide
    Nitric Oxide is a gaseous signaling molecule that is biosynthesized from L-Arginine. In 1998 three American scientists won the Nobel Prize for discovering the role Nitric Oxide plays in the cardiovascular system.

    Nitric oxide booster supplements increase athletic performance by decreasing the cardiac workload. By elevating the levels of Nitric Oxide help to dilate (expand) the veins, and lower arterial pressure and left ventricular filling pressure. This does not decrease the volume of blood the heart pumps, but rather it decreases the force the heart muscle must exert to pump the same volume of blood. These properties of Nitric Oxide make it one of themost effective supplements, in use today, to increase and improve athletic performance.

    Health & Fitness Benefits Of Nitric Oxide
    •Enhances nutrient and oxygen delivery to muscle
    •Relaxes and enlarges blood vessels which reduces demand on heart muscle
    •Regulates blood pressure
    •Boosts HGH production
    •Supports lean muscle mass increase
    •Supports increased bone density
    •Supports sexual performance
    •Increases strength and endurance
    •Reduces fatigue
    •Supports overall cardiovascular health
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    I am going to be purchasing these real soon. I want to start using them right away, just for my cardio and light toning sessions for a little extra boost. I will also report on them. Nice write-up..SJ
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    Thanks, I'm getting the pre/post patches soon too, they seem really unique! I bet the pumps will be great!
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    Milas, have you been running the pre/post workout patches and if so, how do you compare them to a preworkout drink like Jack3d etc..

    I am interested in getting these, just waiting for some funds to roll in. Also, I have a horrible stomach and most preworkouots do not agree with me so if these work they will def become a yearlong staple for me..SJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuppJunkie View Post
    Milas, have you been running the pre/post workout patches and if so, how do you compare them to a preworkout drink like Jack3d etc..

    I am interested in getting these, just waiting for some funds to roll in. Also, I have a horrible stomach and most preworkouots do not agree with me so if these work they will def become a yearlong staple for me..SJ
    I've only used it once so far, and I didn't have it on early enough (should put it on ~2hrs before workout, I put it on 30 minutes before). That being said it's not a stimulant formula, so it's not going to give you lots of energy. It's a pump formula, so good for increasing nitric oxide.

    I'm going to try it out again with more appropriate timing, and see how it works out. I also put it on my shoulder, and it sweated off during the workout, so I had to move it to my forearm. My shoulders get really sweaty, and I was working chest, so my shoulders moved too much too. Morale of the story put the patches in a place that won't get super sweaty (I sweat a lot, but forearms stick fine for me.
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    Gotcha..Yah, maybe they can make a stimulant type preworkout product as well, thats an idea. Thanks for the response..SJ
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    Definitely looking forward to giving these a go. What ill probly do is apply it and put some tape around it, ive been doing that with the Power Patch as a type of securing device just to make sure it doesnt come off while i sleep. (I move around a lot )
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    I move around a lot too with the patches on, asleep and awake (arms under pillows, etc.), and no problem. I've been able to shower with the patches on, and no problem. The problem is when you put it over a place that has a lot of sweat glands and the moisture goes straight to the adhesive instead of on top of the patch. The patch will form a pretty good barrier for external moisture, but if it is coming from below into the adhesive, it won't last.
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    I have used the patches a few times now and I believe they enhanced my stamina. Is it possible for them to have such an immediate effect? Also, what about those who say arginine is bunk, as discussed here and elsewhere?
    Arginine = TOTAL SCAM?

    Let me add that I remain an AgeForce fan as someone who has been using the testo100, powerpatch, and melatonin patches for a couple months and gained strength relatively fast, and 3-5 pounds despite not eating a great deal more.
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    I did a bit more research and found some support for arginine, particularly when used in conjunction with compounds like lysine, which is found in the pre & post workout patches.

    http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic...ine-and-sleep/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogrick2 View Post
    I have used the patches a few times now and I believe they enhanced my stamina. Is it possible for them to have such an immediate effect? Also, what about those who say arginine is bunk, as discussed here and elsewhere?
    Arginine = TOTAL SCAM?

    Let me add that I remain an AgeForce fan as someone who has been using the testo100, powerpatch, and melatonin patches for a couple months and gained strength relatively fast, and 3-5 pounds despite not eating a great deal more.
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    I did a bit more research and found some support for arginine, particularly when used in conjunction with compounds like lysine, which is found in the pre & post workout patches.

    http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic...ine-and-sleep/
    Oral arginine is pretty ineffective because of low bioavailability orally. Transdermal and injected arginine however have been demonstrated to have benefits. In this case, the delivery mechanism makes all the difference. Transdermal delivery increases the effectiveness significantly.
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    Ive ordered the patch and will be logging its effects here. for the record i respond extremely well to nitric oxide supplements that are properly formulated. I will be comparing this to nitox softgel by scifit, and therefore my standards are extremely high. I say this because a patch is a very small thing, and i dont think anywhere near the 6g daily nitrox gives will be provided. obviously, the arguement will be that the patch is better absorbed and thus less is needed; i counter this with an expressed understanding that any liposomal delivery basically guarantees 98% absorption. I pledge that my reviews will be as detailed as the product allows and am excited for this relatively free opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thescience
    Ive ordered the patch and will be logging its effects here. for the record i respond extremely well to nitric oxide supplements that are properly formulated. I will be comparing this to nitox softgel by scifit, and therefore my standards are extremely high. I say this because a patch is a very small thing, and i dont think anywhere near the 6g daily nitrox gives will be provided. obviously, the arguement will be that the patch is better absorbed and thus less is needed; i counter this with an expressed understanding that any liposomal delivery basically guarantees 98% absorption. I pledge that my reviews will be as detailed as the product allows and am excited for this relatively free opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    [...] I will be comparing this to nitox softgel by scifit, and therefore my standards are extremely high. I say this because a patch is a very small thing, and i dont think anywhere near the 6g daily nitrox gives[...]
    I remember seeing a study in which 6 grams of an arginine compound caused gastric distress in almost all of the participants. Do you handle it well?

    Also, what do you notice from Nitrox?
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    That's the beauty of transdermal. No gastric issues. Straight to bloodstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogrick2 View Post
    I remember seeing a study in which 6 grams of an arginine compound caused gastric distress in almost all of the participants. Do you handle it well?

    Also, what do you notice from Nitrox?


    well, its 3grams taken twice a day to total 6g. that stduy probably refers to regular arginine, but in the body building world the starting dose used by ed bird's no2 was 8g a day and alot of people are fine with that protocall. there are differences here though with nitrox softgel and even bird's "no2 black"; the main one is that it is sustained-release, so u arent overdosing with say a 4g dose at once; rather, the body absorbs alittle at a time. additionally, no2 black uses alpha-keta glutarate form of arginine which is better absorbed, hence less to sit around in the intestines to cause problems. I like nitrox softgel over no2 black because of the sustained-release lyposomal delivery system. lyposomal is actually the best way to take oral supplements that i know about; for example, look into this stuff called lypospheric-C; its a vitamin c supplement, but it causes zeero gastrointestinal problems due to the fact that the vit c never comes into contact with the GI tract; the vitamin c is actully contained in a phospholipid, so it is absorbed nearly 100%, and the contents are released into the bloodstream. nitrox uses the same liposomal on their product; actually, its possible to make your own lyposomal supplements from home, though they would only keep for a few days typically. i am ok with tolerating arginine, though i know others who have to take smaller doses like 3g or they have problems; i actually have alot of theories about why that may be with certain people, with potential ways to remedy that. i can get into that further...

    with regards to the other parrt of your question, im a huge fan of sustained-release arginine alphaketaglutarate for alot of reasons:

    1. 24/7 pumps. ive found this to occur with the two brands ive mentioned above. i have tried sustained-release in other brands that didnt quite have that effect. it takes up to 21 days of faithful dosing to achive this powerful effect. well, its a cosmetic/endurance effect, and it dissapates within 5 days of stopping the product, but i will see half an inch added to my bicep all day (which is just glycogen and blood). this stuff pumps me up so much i cant get my arms around enough to scratch my own back. there is something very cool about being pumped rock hard 24/7, even though its dismissed as a cosmetic effect
    2. improved endurance. some of this may be attributed to the ketaglutarate aspect of the products, as most glumamine is taken by the gi tract, with lyposomal and even more alkaline delivery systems the few extra grams that go right to the bloodstream from these products is able to get to muscle
    3. insane sex drive. i mean, my there is bloodflow down there constantly. its actually an annoyance; not even thinking about sex and i find myself totally ready to go. whereas viagra only stops you from destroying your own nitric oxide, this stuff supplies you with abundant nitric oxide. 80% of seminal fluid is comprised of arginine
    4. i dont notice a strength increase and never have from an arginine product. yeah. ive heard that is also true of hgh in alot of studies, even though people add alot of muscle.
    5. i grow on arginine. im not sure why, but i get alot more tricep developement without changing my routine. i suspect in my case the extra blood flow enables that area of my body to be better nourished with aminos ect
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    hey can you get a arginine dosage amount used in this patch for us?
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    Unfortunately, no. Any AgeForce product containing more than one ingredient is considered proprietary to them and they can only disclose the ingredients in it, without amounts. Even if it were half the amount though, you have to take into consideration that transdermal delivery removes internal processing from the equation, and is more effective by driving it straight to the blood stream--less is more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    That's the beauty of transdermal. No gastric issues. Straight to bloodstream.
    Thats one of the MAIN reasons I use some of these products is because I have a lousy stomach, esp with creatine, henece as to why I am using the creatine/Beta patches right now. I still use the reg creatine mono or powerchews on off days from the gym but on training days using the patch right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuppJunkie View Post
    Thats one of the MAIN reasons I use some of these products is because I have a lousy stomach, esp with creatine, henece as to why I am using the creatine/Beta patches right now. I still use the reg creatine mono or powerchews on off days from the gym but on training days using the patch right now.
    Yeah I have a hard time stomaching much before a workout either. Also have stomach issues with DAA it seems, so the testo patches are great too.
    Haven't personally tried the Creatine patches yet. Do you notice any beta alanine tingles from it?
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    well i got the patches a few days ago. i was charged 6 bucks for shipping that came to me in an envelope marked with a 44 cent stamp. i think its safe to say the product itself is at least marked up by the same 1200%, if not more.

    initially, i was planning to report the product on a number of dimensions that would include the gradual buildup effects of the product over a number of days. HOWEVER, i was given 24 patches (supposedly a month supply), and thus I will not accredit this company with a build-up review since i have been discouraged from taking this everyday by the makers. I dont know where the 24 patches/month comes from; maybe they are giving me the sabbath off?

    so... heres why im really dissappointed?

    I took the patch which is marketed as a pre-post workout patch. This alone suggests there will be an immediate effect to be felt upon working out. i followed the directions and gave the alloted 2 hours. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED. i cant compare this to a sustained release arginine; this product cant even compete with an oral pre workout arginine.

    it gets crazier; i had suspected there was going to be a very skimpy amount of arginine, giving the patch itself was paper-thin. therefore, i put 4 patches on at once to see if i perchance could induce any effect whatsoever. to my astonishment, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED, DESPITE OVERDOSING THE PATCH BY 300%..

    in conclusion, this product provides less than one patch a day for a so called "month supply", which both negates any chance for a perpetual pump and any buildup effect in accordance with suggested (and economically practical) usage. Furthermore, it doesnt even provide a pre-workout pump. I dont even have the motivation to keep applying this garbage to my body. It is my intention to send the remainder back, in registration of my disgust, unless someone on here really wants to see how lame this product is for themselves, in which case they have a few days to private message me for it.

    if this company wants to survive, i would suggest trying to do something outstanding with the awkward delivery system; Ive felt way more effects from a gram a day of oral arginine keta-glutarate, so if this stuff is going to be marketed to bodybuilders, it should pay attention to what others have done to make arginine successful and at lest try to match that. the bloated shipping, the undisclosed ingredients, the strange array of off-the-mark ingredients (lysine, glutationine) that typically only exist in products that want to seem like they have justified a higher price tag. I REGRET HAVING SPENT 6 BUCKS FOR THE SHIPPING ON THIS FREE PRODUCT, AND I SUSPECT THAT AMOUNT WARRANTS A PROFIT ON OVERALL BUSINESS EXPENDATURES FOR THIS BUNK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    well i got the patches a few days ago. i was charged 6 bucks for shipping that came to me in an envelope marked with a 44 cent stamp. i think its safe to say the product itself is at least marked up by the same 1200%, if not more.[...]
    I took the patch which is marketed as a pre-post workout patch. This alone suggests there will be an immediate effect to be felt upon working out. i followed the directions and gave the alloted 2 hours. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED. i cant compare this to a sustained release arginine; this product cant even compete with an oral pre workout arginine.[...]
    That is disturbing. Where did you place the patches?

    I do not mind the mark-up for shipping as long as the products work. I believe the Powerpatch, Testo/100 and melatonin patches are working for me. I did not notice anything from the Pre & Post Workout patch, but this may be acceptable. Perhaps I would not have noticed the affect anyway, which is to say that I train in such a way (no notes and train-by-feel instead of by program) that I might not notice an effective pre/post workout product sans stimulants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogrick2 View Post
    That is disturbing. Where did you place the patches?

    I do not mind the mark-up for shipping as long as the products work. I believe the Powerpatch, Testo/100 and melatonin patches are working for me. I did not notice anything from the Pre & Post Workout patch, but this may be acceptable. Perhaps I would not have noticed the affect anyway, which is to say that I train in such a way (no notes and train-by-feel instead of by program) that I might not notice an effective pre/post workout product sans stimulants.
    i followed the protocall and put them at my wrist area on the inside of my arm. personally, i dont feel a pre-workout patch that produces no effect is in any way an "acceptable" purchase at 40$. I dont consider it "acceptable" at paying 6$ to ship it in. I have raised the issue of the 600% overcharge in shipping for the stamped envelope it came in to illustrate this is a company that delights in getting something for nothing, literally from the get-go. there are plenty of other nitric oxide pre-workout products that are capable of delivering an effect for anyone who would like to know what it feels like.

    interestingly, i would have mailed the remainder of the pre-workout garbage to anyone who wanted to see for themselves, but nobody responded to my offer; I sent it back to the company
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    Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    well i got the patches a few days ago. i was charged 6 bucks for shipping that came to me in an envelope marked with a 44 cent stamp. i think its safe to say the product itself is at least marked up by the same 1200%, if not more.

    initially, i was planning to report the product on a number of dimensions that would include the gradual buildup effects of the product over a number of days. HOWEVER, i was given 24 patches (supposedly a month supply), and thus I will not accredit this company with a build-up review since i have been discouraged from taking this everyday by the makers. I dont know where the 24 patches/month comes from; maybe they are giving me the sabbath off?

    so... heres why im really dissappointed?

    I took the patch which is marketed as a pre-post workout patch. This alone suggests there will be an immediate effect to be felt upon working out. i followed the directions and gave the alloted 2 hours. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED. i cant compare this to a sustained release arginine; this product cant even compete with an oral pre workout arginine.

    it gets crazier; i had suspected there was going to be a very skimpy amount of arginine, giving the patch itself was paper-thin. therefore, i put 4 patches on at once to see if i perchance could induce any effect whatsoever. to my astonishment, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED, DESPITE OVERDOSING THE PATCH BY 300%..

    in conclusion, this product provides less than one patch a day for a so called "month supply", which both negates any chance for a perpetual pump and any buildup effect in accordance with suggested (and economically practical) usage. Furthermore, it doesnt even provide a pre-workout pump. I dont even have the motivation to keep applying this garbage to my body. It is my intention to send the remainder back, in registration of my disgust, unless someone on here really wants to see how lame this product is for themselves, in which case they have a few days to private message me for it.

    if this company wants to survive, i would suggest trying to do something outstanding with the awkward delivery system; Ive felt way more effects from a gram a day of oral arginine keta-glutarate, so if this stuff is going to be marketed to bodybuilders, it should pay attention to what others have done to make arginine successful and at lest try to match that. the bloated shipping, the undisclosed ingredients, the strange array of off-the-mark ingredients (lysine, glutationine) that typically only exist in products that want to seem like they have justified a higher price tag. I REGRET HAVING SPENT 6 BUCKS FOR THE SHIPPING ON THIS FREE PRODUCT, AND I SUSPECT THAT AMOUNT WARRANTS A PROFIT ON OVERALL BUSINESS EXPENDATURES FOR THIS BUNK.
    I am very sorry that you were not satisfied with your trial sample's results. If you have had positive responses to arginine in the past, I am unsure why a transdermal would make it seem ineffective for you. Perhaps the old adage not all people respond to sups the same may or may not apply with a change in delivery system. As to "off-the-mark ingredients", I am not sure what you base that assessment on. As you clearly indicated, this is a pre and post product, so the inclusion of an EAA/BCAA like lysine is not surprising. Many pre-workouts include Lysine (Wyked from Taurus Nutrition for example, my personal fav.)

    As to your complaints about the shipping issues, all I can tell you is that I just received my first shipment from ageforce yesterday and it arrived in a very similar fashion. A plain manilla envelope. However, that was fit inside of a USPS Priority male envelope, which I believe start at a flat rate of 5.95.

    I will ensure that your concerns are forwarded to our more experienced reps and our admins. We value your feedback and honesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    I am very sorry that you were not satisfied with your trial sample's results. If you have had positive responses to arginine in the past, I am unsure why a transdermal would make it seem ineffective for you.


    Perhaps the old adage not all people respond to sups the same may or may not apply with a change in delivery system.



    I dont see anyone here who has responded to this stuff.

    As to "off-the-mark ingredients", I am not sure what you base that assessment on. As you clearly indicated, this is a pre and post product, so the inclusion of an EAA/BCAA like lysine is not surprising. Many pre-workouts include Lysine (Wyked from Taurus Nutrition for example, my personal fav.)



    As to your complaints about the shipping issues, all I can tell you is that I just received my first shipment from ageforce yesterday and it arrived in a very similar fashion. A plain manilla envelope. However, that was fit inside of a USPS Priority male envelope, which I believe start at a flat rate of 5.95.



    I will ensure that your concerns are forwarded to our more experienced reps and our admins. We value your feedback and honesty.

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    I suspect an unusually meger amount of arginine added to the patch would explain why this was "ineffective for me."


    as for the old addage that not all supps work for everyone, i dont see that it worked for anyone; i applaud the reps here who have not said anything as to its effectiveness.

    lysine isnt a bcaa. these other ingredients arent known for significantly increasing nitric oxide; nothing wrong with some extras, unless the main course is absent

    My shipment had a stamp on it; it came in a yellow envelope. Have you taken this stuff? Look, the delivery system is interesting, but this product needs to be made right; the only way we can do that is by allowing honest feedback here
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    Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    I suspect an unusually meger amount of arginine added to the patch would explain why this was "ineffective for me."


    as for the old addage that not all supps work for everyone, i dont see that it worked for anyone; i applaud the reps here who have not said anything as to its effectiveness.
    It obviously didn't for you. That is regrettable. Ageforce does not release dosages, so I cannot comment on whether it is meager or not. All we can say for certain is that you did not respond to this particular patch. Again, I am sorry to hear that. I have not tried these particular patches, so I cannot comment on whether or not it is or is not effective for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    lysine isnt a bcaa. these other ingredients arent known for significantly increasing nitric oxide; nothing wrong with some extras, unless the main course is absent
    You are right, I stand corrected. I was thinking of Leucine which is included in other PWO's. Lysine is however a EAA, so my point about Post workout recovery still stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    My shipment had a stamp on it; it came in a yellow envelope. Have you taken this stuff? Look, the delivery system is interesting, but this product needs to be made right; the only way we can do that is by allowing honest feedback here
    Again, no I have not tried this. I already have a fav PWO routine and supp, so I see no need to change at this time. Also, please bare in mind that S&H is more than just postal cost, it also includes the overhead for having some one to get paid to package and process your order. Every good business model must take overhead into account in all pricing decisions.

    As to the feedback, I thanked you for it in earnest, not really sure what more you need to feel that you are allowed to freely speak your mind. I have done my best to deal honestly and forthrightly with you, and I assume you are doing the same.

    Personally, I would rather pay 6$ to find out that a product didn't work for me than 20-40. I too know that feeling, and it sucks. You were given a chance to try something for a small fee, tried it and found it did not work for you. You then freely voiced your opinion on this and were treated with dignity and respect. As I noted earlier, your concerns will (actually have been) forwarded to people above me.

    On a secondary note, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, feel free to let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    I suspect an unusually meger amount of arginine added to the patch would explain why this was "ineffective for me."


    as for the old addage that not all supps work for everyone, i dont see that it worked for anyone; i applaud the reps here who have not said anything as to its effectiveness.

    lysine isnt a bcaa. these other ingredients arent known for significantly increasing nitric oxide; nothing wrong with some extras, unless the main course is absent

    My shipment had a stamp on it; it came in a yellow envelope. Have you taken this stuff? Look, the delivery system is interesting, but this product needs to be made right; the only way we can do that is by allowing honest feedback here
    This is that "proprietary blend" that you run into so often with supplements so unfortunately we cannot further divulge as to the amount of argnine in each patch. But I can assure you that AgeForce did not gain so many repeat customers over the past 5 years and become so successful by purposely under dosing an ingredient. They put in what they feel is an effective amount for transdermal delivery.

    With AgeForce you will find that the reps here do not and WILL not bad talk a customer for their honest feedback. It is the feedback recieved thus far that has given them the insight needed to improve the formulations for their patches and gels.
    And like Taman has said, we value your feedback and have not taken it with a grain of salt.
    If you listen to Steve Lapidus on Superhuman Radio you will see he is not an evil snake oil salesman hell bent on screwing the consumer, he is a dedicated visionary who stands completely behind his product. Give him a listen sometime.

    In further note, I can say that this patch is not just a "nitric oxide" patch as you can see by the label. It is a pre/post workout patch. Science, you and I both know that there is much more to pre/post workout support than simply nitric oxide. The additional ingredients are meant for that extra purpose. You will find many reviews of the other patches on here and after reading user feedback it is hard to believe these products don't work, although I do understand and agree with the skepticism. AgeForce is a company focused on transdermals, transdermals are not a popular topic over here, therefore it is hard to generate a concensus on their effectiveness. You can either choose to believe or not to believe.

    One thing I am curious about though is what your expectations were when using this patch? Skin bursting pumps? Insane vascularity? Or simply some extra endurance and quicker recovery times (which is something that I have noticed through extended use of this patch and this is my unbiased opinion).

    Once again, your feedback is appreciated and I thank you for giving the trial your fair unbiased assessment, as that is the reason the company offers these trials.

    Your concerns have been forwarded onward, and if you have any other questions, feel free to PM me, I would consider myself a veteran of all the patches, or PM Taman. He is a new rep but he knows a decent amount and should be able to address any additional concerns you may have.
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