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    Thinking of doing either the AMS mass stack or 1ad&4ad stack. It would be a first pro-hormone cycle for me if I did. Question is a serm necessary or advisable.?

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    i ran the ams mass stack and it shut me down bad and killed my sex drive. i would try something like havoc or h-drol for your first cycle or run just 1ad or decavol solo. i did run the ams super mastervol and saw good results with that but it will also shut your body down. all the ams products seem to work well but stacking them the first time out is pretty serious business. if you run them get your pct in check. you'll need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugrat5288 View Post
    i ran the ams mass stack and it shut me down bad and killed my sex drive. i would try something like havoc or h-drol for your first cycle or run just 1ad or decavol solo. i did run the ams super mastervol and saw good results with that but it will also shut your body down. all the ams products seem to work well but stacking them the first time out is pretty serious business. if you run them get your pct in check. you'll need it.
    Really? And I had the impression that this would be a really light prohormone cycle. Didn't think shutdown would be an issue.
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    is having some temporary shutdown that much of a turn off? i know most guys on the board do not want the shutdown, but are all these guys having that much sex that it becomes a factor? i'm married, and i just tell my wife that i am/going to be experiencing a little shutdown and we do just fine. as long as someone has the proper pct setup to bring them back, shutdown shouldn't deter someone from using a product that produces results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgBdybldr View Post
    is having some temporary shutdown that much of a turn off? i know most guys on the board do not want the shutdown, but are all these guys having that much sex that it becomes a factor? i'm married, and i just tell my wife that i am/going to be experiencing a little shutdown and we do just fine. as long as someone has the proper pct setup to bring them back, shutdown shouldn't deter someone from using a product that produces results.
    Actually, shutdown is not that much of an issue for me per-se. Frankly because I'm new to the whole PH thing, I'm looking for something that can be used with an OTC PCT. Not that I'm opposed, eventually, to doing something stronger where a serm is advisable. I'm actually more concerned with gyno than shutdown at this point.

    Thanks for the quick response by the way.
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    In my opinion the combo of the 3 products produced what i would call a medium strenghth oral cycle. saw good gains in size and strength had some nice oily skin and a pissed off aggressive attitude near the end. the products worked as long as the shut down and mood swings are something you can deal with. on havoc and h-drol i felt alot better mentaly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael M View Post
    Thinking of doing either the AMS mass stack or 1ad&4ad stack. It would be a first pro-hormone cycle for me if I did. Question is a serm necessary or advisable.?

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    Hey Michael,
    Honestly I had to look up the mass stack. I had a feeling it was at massnutrition, he does a lot of combo deals for us. The mass stack is a good deal, however I wouldn't run them together due to a few factors one being this is your first cycle and secondly it's more of an advance cycle. Those are two of the most powerful products on the market. I would run them separately. Usually your first cycle you'll gain a lot of mass. For some reason the first cycle seems to be one if not the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugrat5288 View Post
    i ran the ams mass stack and it shut me down bad and killed my sex drive. i would try something like havoc or h-drol for your first cycle or run just 1ad or decavol solo. i did run the ams super mastervol and saw good results with that but it will also shut your body down. all the ams products seem to work well but stacking them the first time out is pretty serious business. if you run them get your pct in check. you'll need it.

    Pretty solid advice here. Chlorodrol 50 in the mass stack is a halodrol clone by Culver Concepts as far as I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgBdybldr View Post
    is having some temporary shutdown that much of a turn off? i know most guys on the board do not want the shutdown, but are all these guys having that much sex that it becomes a factor? i'm married, and i just tell my wife that i am/going to be experiencing a little shutdown and we do just fine. as long as someone has the proper pct setup to bring them back, shutdown shouldn't deter someone from using a product that produces results.

    I never worry about the shutdown. I know it's coming but there are ways to prepare if your sexual active. Shoot one borderline legal supplement is Aspire 36. It's an analog of one of the three ED drugs...(pretty sure Cialis). According to them I heard they actually stumbled upon it. One thing I noticed besides the obvious was I got headaches while on it, but nothing advil couldn't fix.
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    You may be speaking of a different stack then i am. this was sent to me in reply on how to stack decavol with 1 ad and 4ad from the AMS website.

    Ultimate Mass Pyramid Stack


    1-Androsterone 4-AD DecaVol Arom-X
    Week 1 5 caps per day 4 caps per day
    Week 2 5 caps per day 4 caps per day
    Week 3 4 caps per day 4 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Week 4 4 caps per day 4 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Week 5 3 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Week 6 3 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Weeks 7-12 5 caps per day
    Dosing Split Morning, Afternoon, Early Evening Split Morning, Afternoon, Early Evening Split Morning, Afternoon, Early Evening Split Morning and before Bed
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    well it was actually a chartb but when pasted here it runs together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugrat5288 View Post
    You may be speaking of a different stack then i am. this was sent to me in reply on how to stack decavol with 1 ad and 4ad from the AMS website.

    Ultimate Mass Pyramid Stack


    1-Androsterone 4-AD DecaVol Arom-X
    Week 1 5 caps per day 4 caps per day
    Week 2 5 caps per day 4 caps per day
    Week 3 4 caps per day 4 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Week 4 4 caps per day 4 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Week 5 3 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Week 6 3 caps per day 3 caps per day
    Weeks 7-12 5 caps per day
    Dosing Split Morning, Afternoon, Early Evening Split Morning, Afternoon, Early Evening Split Morning, Afternoon, Early Evening Split Morning and before Bed
    Yeah that's the one. Sorry for not being clear enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael M View Post
    Actually, shutdown is not that much of an issue for me per-se. Frankly because I'm new to the whole PH thing, I'm looking for something that can be used with an OTC PCT. Not that I'm opposed, eventually, to doing something stronger where a serm is advisable. I'm actually more concerned with gyno than shutdown at this point.

    Thanks for the quick response by the way.
    The 1-androsterone will convert to 1-testosterone, which is a very potent hormone. It is notorious for causing some of the more visible side effects (lethargy, libido loss, testicular atrophy, etc). On the other hand, it is one of the more liver friendly compounds available. Its effects on blood lipids are much better than some of the popular 17-alpha methyl steroids available OTC. 1-test is also pretty unique in that it provides some extremely solid lean gains and excellent strength gains without the methylation.

    I've personally used both 1AD and havoc (among other things) on separate cycles. Both were 6 weeks in duration. In my opinion, 1AD provided superior gains to havoc in both lean mass and strength. I felt that its "leaning" effect was also superior to that of havoc. IMO, the visible side effects were comparable between the two, but the gains were much much more dramatic with 1AD. My liver enzymes and blood lipid profile had little change post cycle. Meanwhile havoc raised liver enzymes and killed my HDL's.

    IMO, 1AD would be a much better option in terms of side effect cost/benefit. For PCT, a SERM would be ideal for either compound...but you could get away with using a product such as 6-OXO instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazeDragon View Post
    I never worry about the shutdown. I know it's coming but there are ways to prepare if your sexual active. Shoot one borderline legal supplement is Aspire 36. It's an analog of one of the three ED drugs...(pretty sure Cialis). According to them I heard they actually stumbled upon it. One thing I noticed besides the obvious was I got headaches while on it, but nothing advil couldn't fix.

    Agreed. Most research chem sites (where many get their SERMs) also usually stock cialis and viagara. It really comes in handy in a pinch. Pick it up when you buy your nolva.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    The 1-androsterone will convert to 1-testosterone, which is a very potent hormone. It is notorious for causing some of the more visible side effects (lethargy, libido loss, testicular atrophy, etc). On the other hand, it is one of the more liver friendly compounds available. Its effects on blood lipids are much better than some of the popular 17-alpha methyl steroids available OTC. 1-test is also pretty unique in that it provides some extremely solid lean gains and excellent strength gains without the methylation.

    I've personally used both 1AD and havoc (among other things) on separate cycles. Both were 6 weeks in duration. In my opinion, 1AD provided superior gains to havoc in both lean mass and strength. I felt that its "leaning" effect was also superior to that of havoc. IMO, the visible side effects were comparable between the two, but the gains were much much more dramatic with 1AD. My liver enzymes and blood lipid profile had little change post cycle. Meanwhile havoc raised liver enzymes and killed my HDL's.

    IMO, 1AD would be a much better option in terms of side effect cost/benefit. For PCT, a SERM would be ideal for either compound...but you could get away with using a product such as 6-OXO instead.
    Thanks. Very helpful.

    Do you recommend doing a standalone 1ad cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael M View Post
    Thanks. Very helpful.

    Do you recommend doing a standalone 1ad cycle?
    1-Andro is great to run alone....nice lean mass. with 4-AD it gives it more of a bulking effect IMO.
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    1-andro is good by itself!with sufficiant protien and carbs.you should be straight!!
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    Great, i didnt know that.wow, thanks alot for the advice.
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    1-ad and 4-ad UTT questions


    I'm running my first PH cycle and was wondering what my dosage should be and when I should take them. Should I take 1.5ml of each once a day like the bottle suggests, this doesn't seem like enough to me. I would appreciate any help, thanks in advance
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    If it is your first PH cycle, go by what the box says, you'd be surprised how little you need to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1 View Post
    If it is your first PH cycle, go by what the box says, you'd be surprised how little you need to work.
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