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    Thumbs up end of 1-andro, 4-ad rde, mass drop cycle


    well i start pct tomorrow, 8 week cycle, had 1 bottle of 1-andro rde, 2 bottles of 4-ad rde, and 1 bottle of mass drops. started mass drops 2 weeks in. i also ran 6-bromo and all my other regular supps with this cycle. right now im up about 8 lbs, maybe a little fat in there,not much tho, good strength gains and pumps while on this. only sides i had were maybe some increased anger issues, which i dont need lol, was sheddin a little hair towards the end too, and some lethargy here and there as well. pct is torem, toco-8, titanium xl and other staple supps. increased my dosage of the mass drops towards the end and really felt strong and pumped. i didnt even use my whole bottle, i still have half the bottle left. i would like to run this cycle again and increase the dosage from the start and see what i can get. im satisfied with my results and will be runnin this stuff again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes
    well i start pct tomorrow, 8 week cycle, had 1 bottle of 1-andro rde, 2 bottles of 4-ad rde, and 1 bottle of mass drops. started mass drops 2 weeks in. i also ran 6-bromo and all my other regular supps with this cycle. right now im up about 8 lbs, maybe a little fat in there,not much tho, good strength gains and pumps while on this. only sides i had were maybe some increased anger issues, which i dont need lol, was sheddin a little hair towards the end too, and some lethargy here and there as well. pct is torem, toco-8, titanium xl and other staple supps. increased my dosage of the mass drops towards the end and really felt strong and pumped. i didnt even use my whole bottle, i still have half the bottle left. i would like to run this cycle again and increase the dosage from the start and see what i can get. im satisfied with my results and will be runnin this stuff again.
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    6 days on pct of torem and titanium, actually gained 2 more pounds, so im up 10 pounds with this cycle without any noticeable increase in fat.
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    Yeah we suspect that 1-androsterone has a very long half life. One dose was still found in the system of an older gentleman 8 days later. Your gains could still be attributed to that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Yeah we suspect that 1-androsterone has a very long half life. One dose was still found in the system of an older gentleman 8 days later. Your gains could still be attributed to that...
    prob why im still sheddin a little hair, better grow back, wonder how long the half life is on it, hmm. hit torem at 120 for the first 2 days then dropped it down to 60, dont feel shut down, slight strength decrease maybe
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes
    6 days on pct of torem and titanium, actually gained 2 more pounds, so im up 10 pounds with this cycle without any noticeable increase in fat.
    Nice on +10 lbs. what was your diet like? Bulk, recomp ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    Nice on +10 lbs. what was your diet like? Bulk, recomp ??
    wasnt the cleanest diet, had a huge appetite so i ate like a horse,week and half on torem now and still up 10 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    wasnt the cleanest diet, had a huge appetite so i ate like a horse,week and half on torem now and still up 10 lbs
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    I see you ran 6-bromo on cycle. Is it recommended to run an AI with AMS products while on ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22
    I see you ran 6-bromo on cycle. Is it recommended to run an AI with AMS products while on ?
    Not really needed. The 4ad would be the one that could potentially aromatize to any degree, but even then it would be minor and you could either reduce the dosage, which would take care of the issue most of the time, or stop the4ad all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    I see you ran 6-bromo on cycle. Is it recommended to run an AI with AMS products while on ?
    ya i ran it for most of the cycle, figured what the hell, wanted to knock the estro out
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes

    ya i ran it for most of the cycle, figured what the hell, wanted to knock the estro out
    You running an AI in PCT as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    You running an AI in PCT as well?
    ya i was gona run some arom-x at the end of pct
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    Little update. Just finished my pct of torem and titanium xl and toco 8 with some 6-bromo thrown in at the end. Getting my test levels checked this upcoming Saturday. will let you guys know the results
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    i am too, if my levels are good i just might jump on cycle again soon, have a bottle of epi, a bottle of dermacrine, bottle of decavol rde, and half a bottle of mass drops. any advices on making a stack out of this, was gona just go epi and derm, but maybe i could throw the deca in at the end?
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    Test came back at 612, so either these AMS products aren't very suppressive or my torem kicked ass. Time for another cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    Test came back at 612, so either these AMS products aren't very suppressive or my torem kicked ass. Time for another cycle
    DAMN bro , what where your results? Strength and weight wise I mean

    Edit: saw the main thread , 8 lbs and no suppression after good pct oO not bad!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    DAMN bro , what where your results? Strength and weight wise I mean

    Edit: saw the main thread , 8 lbs and no suppression after good pct oO not bad!!
    decent strength gains, im actually up 11 lbs right now, good pumps and aggression in tthe gym and the pecker stayed strong, torem rocks as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes
    Test came back at 612, so either these AMS products aren't very suppressive or my torem kicked ass. Time for another cycle
    Perhaps a combo of the two? Torem is actually my preferred the majority of the time and I usually start higher, but taper off a lot faster then some of the more common dosing patterns on the boards.
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    Is it likely that his test levels would have dropped significantly if he hadn't taken torem? Do most people use a formal PCT regimen or just stick with Arom-X?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider
    Is it likely that his test levels would have dropped significantly if he hadn't taken torem? Do most people use a formal PCT regimen or just stick with Arom-X?
    It is possible that it did. Only we won't know since he does not have any bloodwork mid cycle or so.
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    Also with the on cycle bloodwork I'm seeing 4-ad is maintaining on average 50-100% of natural testosterone levels on cycle. It's hard to quantify though since there are no controls involved.
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    Dosed my torem at 120 first few days, then dropped to 90 for the rest of that week, then 60 then 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes
    Test came back at 612, so either these AMS products aren't very suppressive or my torem kicked ass. Time for another cycle
    Did u get your bloods done right after pct or waited a bit?
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    About a week after torem. Running 6-bromo at the time too
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    You guys think its too early to start a cutting cycle.? Been off the Ph for 2 months now
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    A epi derm cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    A epi derm cycle
    Did you get any other markers tested with your bloodwork? How were lipids? Liver values? LH, FSH, etc?
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    Nope, just test, and free test was 20 out of 30, doc was giving me a weird vibe, lol
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    I think you can see why Royd is asking what all was tested. Your testosterone levels are not your only concerns and shouldn't be. It is possible that your test levels are within normal parameters, but have other systems off skew still.
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    I would assume they are fine. Stuff seemed pretty mild.
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    You can always go back on cycle. But do you really need it right now? If training, diet is doing the job it's probably better to stay off for a bit yet.
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    Really need to cut. Have some stubborn fat. Diet is good and doing cardio. You may have a point though. Still have a bottle of decavol and massdrops, maybe I'll run that instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    Really need to cut. Have some stubborn fat. Diet is good and doing cardio. You may have a point though. Still have a bottle of decavol and massdrops, maybe I'll run that instead
    I like to start a diet by slowly increasing cardio, and dropping my carbs pretty low but maintaining moderate fat intake, and high protein. Then when I drop below 10% body fat, I go on cycle, drop fat as low as possible, keep protein high, and add moderate carbs. From there workouts get awesome even while dieting hard. You keep lowering carbs and increasing cardio until you reach your goal...which hopefully is before the end of the cycle.
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    I've been really trying to cut the carbs out , what's your diet consist of each day? How many calories
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    Hey! How are you? I saw that you are looking to cut carbs. I have access to an exclusive line of products through my fiance's endorsement company. He has a product that blocks up to 500 carbohydrate calories per meal. If you would like more information about it, message me on here. I am just learning this app and may not find how to retrieve this post yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian621
    I'm starting "Mass Drops" tomorrow with "Augmentor". I'll let you know how my progress goes.
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