Arom-X = 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester is it DHT related?

[superone]

Hi, i just started taking Arom-X because im taking Propecia for hairloss and want to make sure i have Estrogen under control, since Propecia blocks DHT and can increase Estrogen.


But i was wondering if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X is DHT related, metabolite, or covnerts to DHT, and causes DHT related type hairloss?


Because im noticing some thinning just recently as i started the Arom-X, and ive read that 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester converts to DHT or has the same effects as DHT has on the body.



Thanks!

[corsaking]

stick with 6 bromo

[russianstar]

Or ATD.

[tattoopierced1]

Hi, i just started taking Arom-X because im taking Propecia for hairloss and want to make sure i have Estrogen under control, since Propecia blocks DHT and can increase Estrogen.


But i was wondering if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X is DHT related, metabolite, or covnerts to DHT, and causes DHT related type hairloss?


Because im noticing some thinning just recently as i started the Arom-X, and ive read that 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester converts to DHT or has the same effects as DHT has on the body.


Thanks!

I dont think it converts directly to DHT at all, from what I've read PA seems to think it it MAY make 2 conversions to DHT, but is more than likely not to.

[superone]

Thanks guys,


Do you think the owner/product inventor can give me a definite answer to if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X converts to DHT at all or has the same effects as DHT does in causing hairloss?


I would hate to stop taking it as i feel pretty good taking it with Propecia.


Thanks.

[corsaking]

Thanks guys,


Do you think the owner/product inventor can give me a definite answer to if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X converts to DHT at all or has the same effects as DHT does in causing hairloss?


I would hate to stop taking it as i feel pretty good taking it with Propecia.


Thanks.

wheres the rep?

[JOHNJESSICA20]

Yes, will have u a answer directly from the top soon. As Tat said it does'nt convert directly to dht so hairloss should'nt be a issue.

[superone]

Yes, will have u a answer directly from the top soon. As Tat said it does'nt convert directly to dht so hairloss should'nt be a issue.

Thank you, i would really appreciate that as i would love to know.

[superone]

Any idea's yet?

[superone]

For the reps, ive read on here that 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester is basically Androsterone, which converts to Stanolone, and Stanolone is identical to DHT.


Is this true guys?

[EasyEJL]

Something to keep in mind is that there still isn't conclusive evidence as to whether its DHT levels that cause hairloss, or something else involved in the process of conversion of testosterone to DHT. As an example, for young boys who arent developing into puberty properly they use DHT to help spur on normal testicle development and yet dont use finasteride and there isn't any hair loss. Also studies have been being done recently to use DHT instead of testosterone for male hormone replacement therapy in older men as there are signs that it actually shrinks the prostate when its from an exogenous source, and from what i've seen of preliminary results there wasn't any noted hairloss during the studies.

Not that any of this has anything directly to do with Arom-x, but figured i'd chime in on DHT in general

[superone]

Something to keep in mind is that there still isn't conclusive evidence as to whether its DHT levels that cause hairloss, or something else involved in the process of conversion of testosterone to DHT. As an example, for young boys who arent developing into puberty properly they use DHT to help spur on normal testicle development and yet dont use finasteride and there isn't any hair loss. Also studies have been being done recently to use DHT instead of testosterone for male hormone replacement therapy in older men as there are signs that it actually shrinks the prostate when its from an exogenous source, and from what i've seen of preliminary results there wasn't any noted hairloss during the studies.

Not that any of this has anything directly to do with Arom-x, but figured i'd chime in on DHT in general

Well im pretty sure that it is DHT that causes hairloss because Propecia stops conversion of Testosterone to DHT, and Propecia stops hairloss. Everytime i go on Propecia my hair gets thicker. Boys during puberty are less likely to loose hair as it takes a certain amount of androgen stimulation over time before somebody genetically predisposed to hairloss starts to loose hair. I didnt start slowly losing hair untill my 20's but during puberty when my DHT levels were sky high i had no hairloss at all. It also depends on genetics, but 95% of people before the age of 18 usually wont loose any hair no matter what they take.


I agree about DHT shrinking the prostate, i LOVE the hormone DHT and think its awsome, but it makes me loose hair and i definetly dont want to loose hair.


This is why im asking.

[EasyEJL]

Well im pretty sure that it is DHT that causes hairloss because Propecia stops conversion of Testosterone to DHT, and Propecia stops hairloss. Everytime i go on Propecia my hair gets thicker.

Right, but thats what the studies have been showing recently, that most of what we think are negative effects of DHT are negative effects related to the conversion, not necessarily of DHT itself. If you have low to no natural testosterone production, and take DHT directly, none of the negative sides normally associated with DHT occur.

So true, you with a normal to high testosterone level and i'm guessing high 5a reductase level have a high DHT conversion rate and so propecia stops that, and stops the hair loss. I can't say either way myself whether Arom-X either can or can't convert to DHT, or by which mechanism it does, and whether it could cause hair loss or not. Just wanted to share the other info. I'm waiting for one particular study that was conducted by a university in washington to be published, it was just completed a couple months ago.

[superone]

Right, but thats what the studies have been showing recently, that most of what we think are negative effects of DHT are negative effects related to the conversion, not necessarily of DHT itself. If you have low to no natural testosterone production, and take DHT directly, none of the negative sides normally associated with DHT occur.

So true, you with a normal to high testosterone level and i'm guessing high 5a reductase level have a high DHT conversion rate and so propecia stops that, and stops the hair loss. I can't say either way myself whether Arom-X either can or can't convert to DHT, or by which mechanism it does, and whether it could cause hair loss or not. Just wanted to share the other info. I'm waiting for one particular study that was conducted by a university in washington to be published, it was just completed a couple months ago.

In my opinion i doubt this. There really are no documented side effects of DHT to be recorded. Everybody i know with genetic hairloss doesnt loose hair if they cycle Testosterone with Propecia, but if they take a pure DHT compound that needs no conversion like Winny, Masteron, or Proviron, with Propecia, they start losing hair again. This could debunk the thought that DHT itself doesnt cause hairloss, and that hairloss is caused by something else that happens during the conversion process of Testosterone to DHT. It simply has to do with the hormone itself DHT.


There are plenty of guys with lower end Testosterone levels that are losing there hair. Ive seen numerous bloodwork from guys in their 20's-30's that have lower end Testosterone levels and are losing hair. I can 110% gaurantee you that if they took Proviron, Stanolone, DHT cream,ect, that they would start losing hair more rapidly.


The only reason that it was discovered that DHT caused hairloss and prostate problems was for a couple reasons.


First, there are a group of people in the Dominican Republic called pseudohermaphrodites, that lack the Type 2 5 alpha-reductase enzyme that converts Testosterone and other androgens into Type 2 DHT.


They found that after studying these people, that they never develop prostate cancer, and that they never go bald or show signs of hairloss. I think that it was based off of this information that Merck Developed Proscar for Prosate conditions, then later Propecia for hairloss. They found that patients on Proscar would regrow hair or have a stopping of their hairloss or improvement in their hair.



Also, we have to remember that DHT is 5 times as androgenic as Testosterone, so its a more potent androgen that binds to the androgen receptor at a much higher rate. This too is a reason why it causes hairloss i beleive because DHT is by far the most androgenic male hormone we naturally produce. Thats why i beleive it causes greater fatloss and energy effects than testosterone awell, and i beleive that a lot of the benefits of testosterone are actually from it converting to DHT. Remember, that if one has a problem and has low Testosterone levels, and feels like crap, they most likely also have lower DHT levels aswell because enough Testosterone has to be around to convert to sufficient DHT levels.



This is why highly androgenic compounds and DHT based compounds like Winny, Tren, Proviron, Masteron,ect, still cause hairloss even if you use Propecia on cycle to block DHT conversion. I beleive that people still lose hair for the combination of reasons that some of these compounds are essentially identical to the DHT we produce in our bodies, and are pure DHT we are putting in our bodies that need no conversion. This would debunk the thought that DHT itself doesnt cause hairloss directly, because there is no Testosterone to DHT conversion with these compounds. And also that these compounds are a lot more androgenic that Testosterone and bind to the androgen receptor at a much higher rate.



Also, some certain type of people do get prostate flare ups and problems from DHT or DHT compounds, but i beleive that this only happens when you either have too high of Estrogen levels, and also not high enough Testosterone levels. Its all pretty complicated stuff.



The best we can hope for, as far as hairloss is concerned, is a topical anti-androgen that really works, and only works locally at the scalp, other than genetic alterations that can make our hair not sensative to DHT and other androgens.

[Royd The Noyd]

Subbing. Give me a little bit and I'll get more info. However it's just a hunch but I believe it does convert to some degree (likely small).

[superone]

No info yet? Can any of you guys get in contact with the company?


Basically i wanted to know if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient converts into Stanolone in the body, which is identical to DHT, or if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient converts to DHT in the body that a drug like Propecia wouldnt block.


I really would like an answer please guys.


Thanks!

[Royd The Noyd]

The answer is yes. It first converts to adiol which then converts to DHT.

[Royd The Noyd]

The answer is yes. It first converts to adiol which then converts to DHT.

A diagram:

[JOHNJESSICA20]

A diagram:

I told you my man would come through with a answer for ya..Great diagram Royd

[superone]

A diagram:

Thanks for this diagram. So basically this mean that taking Propecia and blocking DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme still wont stop the DHT conversion from Arom-X?



Basically the Androsterone converts to 17B-HSD to - 5a-Androstane-3a,17B-DIOL to - AKR1C to - DHT



So this process skips the SRD5A enzyme, which is the 5 Alpha Reductase Enzyme that propecia blocks that converts Testosterone into DHT.


So basically Propecia will do nothing to stop Arom-X from increasing DHT right?