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**tattoopierced1** · 08-18-2008 01:40 PM

Your Next Generation Legal Prohormone

Before they were banned older products such as 4-Androstenediol and 1-Test were some of the most popular prohormones ever! These now banned products gave great gains in size and strength along with killer libido increases. Now, AMS has introduced a new legal formulation of a prohormone that will achieve similar results as the older products. Considered a wet prohormone, 4-AD will give you some serious mass gains when stacked with our other new legal product 1-Androsterone. Used alone, it will still give you solid, steady gains that you will be able to keep for years.

The original older products were effective prohormones to testosterone. Our new formulation 4-AD, is naturally found in several tissues of the body. 4-AD is converted to testosterone via the naturally occurring enzyme 3beta-HSD. 4-AD converts to testosterone at a significantly higher rate than other previously available prohormones (such as androstenedione), and like the now banned older products also does not have the weakness of conversion to estrogen and/or DHT prior to conversion to testosterone. These factors made the older products some of the best testosterone prohormones on the market at their time. Like our other new product 1-Androsterone, 4-AD also converts at a high rate to testosterone. We have licensed these advanced delivery system legal formulations for utilizing your naturally occurring hormones to provide the most advanced system on the market today for blocking negative side effects while increasing free testosterone! Again, like the older products 4-AD does not directly convert to estrogen or DHT, and you can use the product the same as you used the older products such as 4-Androstenediol and 1-Test.

4-AD is also more androgenic, meaning it has more male characteristic enhancing properties. This is of course, something all males desire. When stacked with 1-Androsterone, you can expect extraordinary mass and strength gains while experiencing increased libido enhancement and the energy to power through the most grueling workouts.

**json75** · 08-29-2008 05:42 PM

4-ad should cause zero liver stress, right?

**tattoopierced1** · 08-31-2008 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by json75

4-ad should cause zero liver stress, right?

4AD is not a methylated compound, so it is safe on the liver.

**wheels** · 08-31-2008 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by tattoopierced1

4AD is not a methylated compound, so it is safe on the liver.

Can your 1ad and 4ad
be stacked with 1,4ad ?

**andrew732** · 09-01-2008 01:56 AM

yeah should preserve libido

**Mu5tang69** · 09-01-2008 09:59 PM

so this new version of 4-AD is a ph to testosterone?

**andrew732** · 09-01-2008 10:25 PM

4-dhea converted to 4-andro

**ersatz** · 09-02-2008 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by wheels

Can your 1ad and 4ad
be stacked with 1,4ad ?

Since they rely on enzymatic conversion one could expect some competitive inhibition as a result. I can't recall the their structures offhand so perhaps they don't all rely on the same enzymes like 17b hsd. Assuming they did though, what would be the theoretical limit whereby competition would ensue? Obviously, enzyme expression would vary from one individual to another but there must be a range which the majority fall under.

**andrew732** · 09-02-2008 02:12 AM

everybody will have diffrent results for sure

**Mu5tang69** · 09-02-2008 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by andrew732

4-dhea converted to 4-andro

is that 4-dhea converted to 4-Androstenediol ?

the original 4-AD converts to testosterone at a rate of 15.76%

so if the new 4-AD eventually converts to testosterone, at what rate? when its finally testosterone?

original 4-AD also converted w/o aromitizing into estrogen and DHT. is it the same w/the new formula?

**json75** · 09-02-2008 04:51 PM

When I take more than three 4-ad's at one time it knocks me out pretty bad, I get real lethargic for some reason, why is this?

**tattoopierced1** · 09-02-2008 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by json75

When I take more than three 4-ad's at one time it knocks me out pretty bad, I get real lethargic for some reason, why is this?

are you stacking it with anything?

**json75** · 09-02-2008 07:41 PM

I'm taking 4 Aromx at night

I found this odd too.

My thoughts were that if I take a double dose of 4-ad first thing in the am (b4 workout) I could keep HPTA shutdown at a minimum, with the added anti-e at night.

Anyhow I've since split up my doses and have been fine.

This happened on more than one occasion. Actually it felt exactly the same way whenever I took the original 1ad.

**Pemmican** · 09-05-2008 07:35 PM

I am about to start a 4 week cycle of the 1-Andro and the 4AD. I have heard that you can stack that with the DecaVol. Is this true?

Also, would anyone recommend loading on Cycle Support a week before I start the ph stack, or would you just start taking it all together?

**Pemmican** · 09-05-2008 07:35 PM

I am about to start a 4 week cycle of the 1-Andro and the 4AD. I have heard that you can stack that with the DecaVol. Is this true?

Also, would anyone recommend loading on Cycle Support a week before I start the ph stack, or would you just start taking it all together?

**tattoopierced1** · 09-05-2008 09:42 PM

http://advancedmusclescience.com/sta...tacking-chart/

**LazeDragon** · 09-08-2008 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by json75

I'm taking 4 Aromx at night

I found this odd too.

My thoughts were that if I take a double dose of 4-ad first thing in the am (b4 workout) I could keep HPTA shutdown at a minimum, with the added anti-e at night.

Anyhow I've since split up my doses and have been fine.

This happened on more than one occasion. Actually it felt exactly the same way whenever I took the original 1ad.

It reacts with everyone differently as one would expect. The lethargy your feeling is 9 times out of 10 due to it's too potent. Divided doses will help. I have ran across this a lot with users of 1-Andro as well.

I thought know way it's that potent, but to them it surely was. Gains lean and dry went through the roof but they had to reduce the dosage due to lethargy.

I do get lethargy off higher doses like 6 caps a day. Dividing them is always best then scale down if it's too much.

LD

**LazeDragon** · 09-08-2008 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by ersatz

Since they rely on enzymatic conversion one could expect some competitive inhibition as a result. I can't recall the their structures offhand so perhaps they don't all rely on the same enzymes like 17b hsd. Assuming they did though, what would be the theoretical limit whereby competition would ensue? Obviously, enzyme expression would vary from one individual to another but there must be a range which the majority fall under.

Actually I found it to be a really good stack!!

LD

**LazeDragon** · 09-08-2008 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by tattoopierced1

are you stacking it with anything?

My reps FOCKING ROCK.....sorry just had to get that out.

Nice work tat!!!

Big thanks to sticky all the product threads!!! I'm going to hook you up for that...you just don't know it yet.

LD

**tattoopierced1** · 09-08-2008 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by LazeDragon

My reps FOCKING ROCK.....sorry just had to get that out.

Nice work tat!!!

Big thanks to sticky all the product threads!!! I'm going to hook you up for that...you just don't know it yet.

LD

just trying to get some users to do some logs so people can see the great results!! we need more AMS logs on AM!!

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