New craze test

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  1. Found this on bb. Cahill was stating what he would want to ask the FDA. Last paragraph is the funny part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Its odd how they feel they can do the correct job in enforcing DSHEA (which I would really love for them to do) when they have enough problems trying to regulate RX drugs.

    In recent years they have approved drugs for use that have had horrific side effects (phen/fen combo for example). As well as approving drugs like Botox for what is purely a cosmetic use. Yet they banned ephedra which was far safer then phen/fen.

    As adults we arent allowed to choose to use prohormones (because they banned those as well) for what might be considered a cosmetic use. However any women on the planet can choose to go on hormone replacement therapy (thats what birth control is) for the rest of their lives should they want it. Their only requirement would be to go to a free clinic and ask for it.

    I guess Id just like to know when they are going to finally start being consistent. They dont need more regulations or to further restrict adults from the use of supplements. They've already done enough of that. DSHEA is all that is needed, just make sure all supplement companies conform to those rules.
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  2. I was one of the first to buy craze because of the raving reviews, yet it still remains sealed fresh in my supplement box of excess supps. I never use a stimulant Pre, learnt from leangains BCAAs were very important pre workout when IFing and I added other powders as recommended by most here, Cit mal, BA, etc. Also I usually take stimulant containing supps throughout the day, plus hypertrophy is my main objective, hence it wasn't required.

    What should I do with it..? I'm guessing not to try it for starters..?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    I was one of the first to buy craze because of the raving reviews, yet it still remains sealed fresh in my supplement box of excess supps. I never use a stimulant Pre, learnt from leangains BCAAs were very important pre workout when IFing and I added other powders as recommended by most here, Cit mal, BA, etc. Also I usually take stimulant containing supps throughout the day, plus hypertrophy is my main objective, hence it wasn't required. What should I do with it..? I'm guessing not to try it for starters..?
    Plenty of people would pay top dollar for that tub lol. I of course am not one or them.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Crooks the whole company! This is the exact **** that's going to get the supplement industry completely ****ing regulated and controlled by the fda. Think of how many high school kids were taking that **** all the while unknowingly ingesting Ethamphetamines.
    I am curious how many soldiers may have pissed hot for taking this.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    I was one of the first to buy craze because of the raving reviews, yet it still remains sealed fresh in my supplement box of excess supps. I never use a stimulant Pre, learnt from leangains BCAAs were very important pre workout when IFing and I added other powders as recommended by most here, Cit mal, BA, etc. Also I usually take stimulant containing supps throughout the day, plus hypertrophy is my main objective, hence it wasn't required.

    What should I do with it..? I'm guessing not to try it for starters..?
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
    Oh, well thats a relief..

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Plenty of people would pay top dollar for that tub lol. I of course am not one or them.
    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Plenty of people would pay top dollar for that tub lol. I of course am not one or them.
    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
    Thanks guys. Yeah I know it's worth decent $$ but that amount isn't life changing lol. Like I said stim prewos do not interest me so I have no use for it...How long do emphetamines stay in the system..? Don't have a drug test soon but might have one if competing or work, etc. down the track. Thanks.

  8. Ooohh, so spicy...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    Thanks guys. Yeah I know it's worth decent $$ but that amount isn't life changing lol. Like I said stim prewos do not interest me so I have no use for it...How long do emphetamines stay in the system..? Don't have a drug test soon but might have one if competing or work, etc. down the track. Thanks.
    Given this is an analog to Methamphetamine
    Here is a simple list http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htm

    Here are a few studies with a bit more realistic data.
    http://www.clinchem.org/content/48/10/1703.full
    http://www.labmed.yale.edu/Images/de...tcm45-9313.pdf

    But take this data with a grain of salt as this is not the actual chemical in question so short of PA I doubt there is anyone on this forum who can give you a real answer as these are unstudied analogs from what I know.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by hippo1245 View Post
    much better than the circle jerk going on at the tl forums. all 8 people reading it.
    Yeah, that bb.com thread had a ton of views though...shame some vagina had to cry to the mods about it and get it deleted...

  11. Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Yeah, that bb.com thread had a ton of views though...shame some vagina had to cry to the mods about it and get it deleted...
    It was a good thread so it got deleted.

    I'll tell you though, I don't know why it took this long for me but I am done with Gaspari.
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  12. What blows my mind is the fact that GNC is still selling this stuff in full force. I thought they tried to avoid products like this like the plague. Hmm

  13. Interesting thread. Sub'd

  14. I would like to get in the class action lawsuit if there is one, although I havent taken craze since the original batch i would like to get some more of that batch lololol that might sound hypocritical but the relaxing euphoric feeling it gave me felt better than addys.

    if this new batch does have the same effect i may buy a couple before they pull it just to have

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ericool007 View Post
    I would like to get in the class action lawsuit if there is one, although I havent taken craze since the original batch i would like to get some more of that batch lololol that might sound hypocritical but the relaxing euphoric feeling it gave me felt better than addys.

    if this new batch does have the same effect i may buy a couple before they pull it just to have
    My gf took me to the mall and in GNC they actually have it on sale for a reasonable price atm (45 servings for $36 amazingly) so i wrote down the lot numbers they had and checked the lot numbers against the ones listed here. No match lol...was thinking about maybe trying it rofl

  16. The thing I find funny is a guy selling ethyl amphetamine to be quoting dhsea it's compounds like his that create tighter regulation not that I really care these days but govertments don't need to be handed something to go after supplement regulation on a platter

  17. Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    My gf took me to the mall and in GNC they actually have it on sale for a reasonable price atm (45 servings for $36 amazingly) so i wrote down the lot numbers they had and checked the lot numbers against the ones listed here. No match lol...was thinking about maybe trying it rofl
    Funny thing is, I did the same thing. I wonder how many people stopped by at GNC and asked to see the lot numbers in the case...lol...no matches, but the 1 Detonate matched.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Yeah, that bb.com thread had a ton of views though...shame some vagina had to cry to the mods about it and get it deleted...
    All I can say is **** BB.com I was banned for posting studies that made one of their sponsors products look bad...god forbid science might have a place on that board.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by brianp11 View Post
    i'm sure it would be the same if someone badmouthed the sponsors here.

    If someone came on here and badmouthed a product with nothing to back up his/her statements I could see a warning and if it continued eventually a ban but to say that someone quoting actual studies would get banned here if it went against the status quo is a bit of an over statement.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    If someone came on here and badmouthed a product with nothing to back up his/her statements I could see a warning and if it continued eventually a ban but to say that someone quoting actual studies would get banned here if it went against the status quo is a bit of an over statement.
    I got permanently banned when the Australia craze stuff came out. Not that I even care to be on that website but it was the principal. So I threatened them by saying they are knowingly removing info that May or may not endanger someone's life. They reinstated me with a warning lol.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by brianp11 View Post
    i'm sure it would be the same if someone badmouthed the sponsors here.
    Pointing out a study that contradicts a claim by a company is now "badmouthing"? Because who needs to validate a claim right...
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    I am curious how many soldiers may have pissed hot for taking this.

    It apparently does not usually come out as positive on immunoassay. There acutally is an article where they discuss various PEAs and this ETH stuff is said to be very weak cross reaction on typical amphetamine immunoassay

    in other words, craze should not make you test positive for amphetamines in a typical test
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  23. however if one is being tested by a WADA lab they might get a positive. It appears that some labs are testing specifically for the compound. A swimmer in canada and a bodybuilder in australia both have tested positive for the analog after taking craze and have received sanctions of 2 years each
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Given this is an analog to Methamphetamine Here is a simple list http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htmHere are a few studies with a bit more realistic data. http://www.clinchem.org/content/48/10/1703.fullhttp://www.labmed.yale.edu/Images/de...tcm45-9313.pdfBut take this data with a grain of salt as this is not the actual chemical in question so short of PA I doubt there is anyone on this forum who can give you a real answer as these are unstudied analogs from what I know.
    this article shows some cross reactivity (they refer to the compound as N-ethyl PBA) however reading the article the cross reactivity is weak. So i think that if you took a large enough dose you may get a positive but maybe not with a typical dose. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1748353
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    If someone came on here and badmouthed a product with nothing to back up his/her statements I could see a warning and if it continued eventually a ban but to say that someone quoting actual studies would get banned here if it went against the status quo is a bit of an over statement.

    if you are gonna say something negative related to a product its best to not mention the product by name but mention the ingredient(s). Say "products containing ingredient X blah blah"

    No one can fault you for that
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    if you are gonna say something negative related to a product its best to not mention the product by name but mention the ingredient(s). Say "products containing ingredient X blah blah"No one can fault you for that
    This is good advice now lets see if my ADHD brain can recall it next time I get in a debate LOL.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    however if one is being tested by a WADA lab they might get a positive. It appears that some labs are testing specifically for the compound. A swimmer in canada and a bodybuilder in australia both have tested positive for the analog after taking craze and have received sanctions of 2 years each
    I thought that swimmer was hit with a lifetime ban? Well, I guess that's good news in my mind.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    I thought that swimmer was hit with a lifetime ban? Well, I guess that's good news in my mind.
    according to him he pleaded his case with the testers (or arbitration board or whatever) and although they agreed that Craze probably caused his positive they wouldnt let him off the hook. I think they did reduce the length of his ban though. no one ever gets a lifetime ban for a first offense
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    no one ever gets a lifetime ban for a first offense
    Except this guy
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