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    Quote Originally Posted by brianp11 View Post
    i'm sure it would be the same if someone badmouthed the sponsors here.
    Pointing out a study that contradicts a claim by a company is now "badmouthing"? Because who needs to validate a claim right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    I am curious how many soldiers may have pissed hot for taking this.

    It apparently does not usually come out as positive on immunoassay. There acutally is an article where they discuss various PEAs and this ETH stuff is said to be very weak cross reaction on typical amphetamine immunoassay

    in other words, craze should not make you test positive for amphetamines in a typical test
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    however if one is being tested by a WADA lab they might get a positive. It appears that some labs are testing specifically for the compound. A swimmer in canada and a bodybuilder in australia both have tested positive for the analog after taking craze and have received sanctions of 2 years each
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Given this is an analog to Methamphetamine Here is a simple list http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htmHere are a few studies with a bit more realistic data. http://www.clinchem.org/content/48/10/1703.fullhttp://www.labmed.yale.edu/Images/de...tcm45-9313.pdfBut take this data with a grain of salt as this is not the actual chemical in question so short of PA I doubt there is anyone on this forum who can give you a real answer as these are unstudied analogs from what I know.
    this article shows some cross reactivity (they refer to the compound as N-ethyl PBA) however reading the article the cross reactivity is weak. So i think that if you took a large enough dose you may get a positive but maybe not with a typical dose. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1748353
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    If someone came on here and badmouthed a product with nothing to back up his/her statements I could see a warning and if it continued eventually a ban but to say that someone quoting actual studies would get banned here if it went against the status quo is a bit of an over statement.

    if you are gonna say something negative related to a product its best to not mention the product by name but mention the ingredient(s). Say "products containing ingredient X blah blah"

    No one can fault you for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    if you are gonna say something negative related to a product its best to not mention the product by name but mention the ingredient(s). Say "products containing ingredient X blah blah"No one can fault you for that
    This is good advice now lets see if my ADHD brain can recall it next time I get in a debate LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    however if one is being tested by a WADA lab they might get a positive. It appears that some labs are testing specifically for the compound. A swimmer in canada and a bodybuilder in australia both have tested positive for the analog after taking craze and have received sanctions of 2 years each
    I thought that swimmer was hit with a lifetime ban? Well, I guess that's good news in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    I thought that swimmer was hit with a lifetime ban? Well, I guess that's good news in my mind.
    according to him he pleaded his case with the testers (or arbitration board or whatever) and although they agreed that Craze probably caused his positive they wouldnt let him off the hook. I think they did reduce the length of his ban though. no one ever gets a lifetime ban for a first offense
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianp11 View Post
    i'm sure it would be the same if someone badmouthed the sponsors here.

    DS is a sponsor here. Want to revise that theory?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    no one ever gets a lifetime ban for a first offense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post

    True

    now i am scratching my head
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianp11 View Post
    ok. i will revise my theory.
    Probably should. People get banned here for being a jackass, like that bossman guy. Right?



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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Yeah, that bb.com thread had a ton of views though...shame some vagina had to cry to the mods about it and get it deleted...
    mod edit: stop the drama
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    So I am assumong the gaspari stuff was tainted with the same thing as craze? I missed the bb.com thread. I never venture to that place anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by CATdiesel76 View Post
    So I am assumong the gaspari stuff was tainted with the same thing as craze? I missed the bb.com thread. I never venture to that place anymore
    Gaspari has always seemed shady to me I would never buy anything from them. But I too would like to know what other supp of there's was tainted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor2003 View Post

    thats an early batch

    hold onto it. FDA my be interested
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    well, sorry AM mods or whoever removed the picture i just posted. i guess you guys don't want a supp company war. i can understand that
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    Quote Originally Posted by _mArs_ View Post
    well, sorry AM mods or whoever removed the picture i just posted. i guess you guys don't want a supp company war. i can understand that
    I seen't it
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    Quote Originally Posted by _mArs_ View Post
    well, sorry AM mods or whoever removed the picture i just posted. i guess you guys don't want a supp company war. i can understand that

    Its called the advanced discussion forum...not housewives of venice beach. If this is what this forum is going to become, then it will be closed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor2003 View Post
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    thats an early batch

    hold onto it. FDA my be interested
    brb, calling local police for holdin drugsz
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    Beejis go buy a bottle and test it, lol
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    I have been using Craze for a couple of days and haven't noticed anything really strange. Now this thread has me a bit worried. Guess I'll just keep mixing a bit in with my other preworkout to use it up :/
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    I am coming to the end of my tub and haven't grown an extra head nor developed any obvious ill effects. I think if craze was particularly dangerous there would be more scandal. It does raise a question though, which I am not sure had been covered. If used as directed, is it possible to predict any dangerous effects from the alleged amphetamine analogues?
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    I hope they don't ban it It makes me an excellent shot while playing Call of Duty.

    plus happy!
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    I hope they don't ban it It makes me an excellent shot while playing Call of Duty.

    plus happy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    All I can say is **** BB.com I was banned for posting studies that made one of their sponsors products look bad...god forbid science might have a place on that board.
    You are simply not allowed to speak the truth about supplements they sell if it impacts them in a negative way.

    Many a good informative honest poster has been banned from that side...
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    Patrick Arnold Blog update on this? Would be a good read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Beejis go buy a bottle and test it, lol
    www.rif.org

    results are in: you can't read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iain1668 View Post
    You are simply not allowed to speak the truth about supplements they sell if it impacts them in a negative way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duywayne View Post
    Patrick Arnold Blog update on this? Would be a good read.

    I think i will wait until some more news breaks on this.

    I missed my chance waiting for the analytical results to be finalized. By that time it wasnt news anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    www.rif.org

    results are in: you can't read.
    I just reread your posts. I'm saying you should test it too so we could have more smoking guns. If I had a lab and scpertise I would just go down to GNC buy one and test it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    I just reread your posts. I'm saying you should test it too so we could have more smoking guns. If I had a lab and scpertise I would just go down to GNC buy one and test it.

    thats sort of what i do but i prefer to have them sent to me by others direct from a retailer

    of course you cant go running around announcing your results to everyone without risking legal issues (but u can tell your freinds)
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    Can you quantitatively test for the substance in question? Or you can just tell yes or no with the equipment you have?
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    hi. love how mikey sends an email saying its illegal. can't carry this anymore.



    but i'll sell it to you for cheap. its dangerous. its illegal. but you can have it for cheap. real companies pull it if its that bad.


    what a bunch of scumbags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo4512 View Post
    hi. love how mikey sends an email saying its illegal. can't carry this anymore.



    but i'll sell it to you for cheap. its dangerous. its illegal. but you can have it for cheap. real companies pull it if its that bad.


    what a bunch of scumbags.
    Who the hell is mikey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    Who the hell is mikey?
    Mike McCandless. Owner of Primaforce, Scivation, and Smart Powders.
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    they left out their prison and arrest records. real stand up guys, all of them. then you have ron kramer who tapes himself serving papers to gaspari. now he sues every company for using daa. how ****ing gay is this guy. thermolife has become a laughing stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo4512 View Post
    hi. love how mikey sends an email saying its illegal. can't carry this anymore.



    but i'll sell it to you for cheap. its dangerous. its illegal. but you can have it for cheap. real companies pull it if its that bad.


    what a bunch of scumbags.
    It's just business, the few times I have had contact with him he seemed like a very nice guy. And really look what he is doing sending an email that has the results of the test so no one can claim they did not know what they are ordering cheap... Hell at least he is up front about it unlike the DS guys.
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