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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I have been wondering for some time how these "bath salt" and "incense" companies operate under the federal analogue act not to mention the nightmare of credit card processors. I had a hard time finding a processor to use just selling simple research chemicals not related to any scheduled substance, and if I tried to sell any PDE-5 inhibitors forget it...that would drop me instantly.
    its a cat and mouse thing and they make it tough. the analog act say the compound has to be marketed for human consumption to qualify. So they sell for uses not for consumption and put not for consumption on the label

    Craze of course makes bold claims for amphetamine like properties and is clearly for human consumption .
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    I took some Berry Lemonade Craze about 8 weeks ago and noticed the effects. I took a six-week break from lifting so I wasn't taking any pre-workouts; last week I took 1 full scoop of the same tub of Craze and felt nothing. I've had results like this with Craze every tub I've tried; sometimes it works great; other times I fell nothing. I've had the same experience with the Grape flavored Craze.

    Pat, do you have a theory why I have such inconsistent results with Craze? It doesn't really matter now as I don't plan on taking it again. Just curious why sometimes it works while other times it doesn't.
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    I bought a package of "incense" one time. I smoked it. I got half way through about a nickel sized joint, and had to toss it d/t being too fckd up to finish. I cant believe it actually worked. I was so wasted. then when I sobered up, the worse crash ever. pretty much exactly like crystal meth. the headache was horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patuba View Post
    I took some Berry Lemonade Craze about 8 weeks ago and noticed the effects. I took a six-week break from lifting so I wasn't taking any pre-workouts; last week I took 1 full scoop of the same tub of Craze and felt nothing. I've had results like this with Craze every tub I've tried; sometimes it works great; other times I fell nothing. I've had the same experience with the Grape flavored Craze.

    Pat, do you have a theory why I have such inconsistent results with Craze? It doesn't really matter now as I don't plan on taking it again. Just curious why sometimes it works while other times it doesn't.
    I am no PA but, I would guess some are spiked some are not you might want to watch the lot numbers and see if there is a correlation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I am no PA but, I would guess some are spiked some are not you might want to watch the lot numbers and see if there is a correlation.
    It's always been with the same tubs. One dose will work great another day; a week later the same dose from the same tub will do nothing. Really strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I bought a package of "incense" one time. I smoked it. I got half way through about a nickel sized joint, and had to toss it d/t being too fckd up to finish. I cant believe it actually worked. I was so wasted. then when I sobered up, the worse crash ever. pretty much exactly like crystal meth. the headache was horrible.
    HaHa not for human consumption sir! I honestly cant image using methamphetamine my methylphenidate gives me enough anxiety I think my heart would just explode if I tried Meth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    HaHa not for human consumption sir! I honestly cant image using methamphetamine my methylphenidate gives me enough anxiety I think my heart would just explode if I tried Meth...
    I was young. im older now, and don't like using anything that makes me feel ****ty afterwards. except knob creek whisky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    this was posted on another board and the documentation supporting it should be released tomorrow. Things may move very fast now. A similar test result by same lab for gaspari detonate resulted in its prompt removal from the bb.com store. forgive the nasty language, thats kramer


    GAME OVER for FAT MATT CAHILL.

    CRAZE Berry Lemonade Lot # 1211372 bought from independent store and shipped directly to the lab found to contain ETHamphetamines ...

    Odd how this lot # is not among the “clean” samples allegedly sent to the lab by Matt Cahill...

    The lab indicated there are approximately 8mg per gram.... which means if one serving of Craze is 5.8 grams you would be ingesting about 46.5 grams of ETHamphetamines..

    In comparison I was told the Detonate that was tested contains approximately 24mg per capsule.

    Matt Cahill sending “clean versions” to the lab is fooling no one... except maybe Anthony Connors (aka Anthony Roberts) BUT since he's already a fool, I guess he doesn't count.

    I’m looking forward to see Matt Cahill back behind bars where he belongs ASAP.

    Other “HOT” lot #’s coming soon!!
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    N-ethyl-1-phenyl-2-butanamine


    U might consider it a bath salt in some respects (a non controlled active amphetamine derivative)
    Crooks the whole company! This is the exact **** that's going to get the supplement industry completely ****ing regulated and controlled by the fda. Think of how many high school kids were taking that **** all the while unknowingly ingesting Ethamphetamines.
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    I knew something wasn't right when I took a sample of the stuff when it first came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I knew something wasn't right when I took a sample of the stuff when it first came out.
    did you say this on the forum then? i did and i was the only one that found something wrong with it (of those who were given free samples to review on this forum) and that's what's wrong with the industry as well... people giving false feedback in hopes to get more free stuff... i was honest... i felt weird and knew something was wrong with the ingredients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _mArs_ View Post
    did you say this on the forum then? i did and i was the only one that found something wrong with it (of those who were given free samples to review on this forum) and that's what's wrong with the industry as well... people giving false feedback in hopes to get more free stuff... i was honest... i felt weird and knew something was wrong with the ingredients.

    Posted it with the wrong name in the title, but I did a review,

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Posted it with the wrong name in the title, but I did a review,

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    interesting review
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    So is the consensus that what is in craze is not an extract of dendrobium?
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    Thank you for your respectful reply mr bone(er), but what i was trying to understand is that despite being amphetamine like, or amphetamine analogues, are the compounds in question completely synthetic and not found naturally, or could they actually be extracted from a natural source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    So is the consensus that what is in craze is not an extract of dendrobium?


    in my head it sure is
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Thank you for your respectful reply mr bone(er), but what i was trying to understand is that despite being amphetamine like, or amphetamine analogues, are the compounds in question completely synthetic and not found naturally, or could they actually be extracted from a natural source.
    there is no evidence of this chemical being present in any natural source. i have more comments to make on this based on my personal testing that would clarify this further, but for legal reasons i shouldnt discuss my private testing of this product publically
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    Ok, thanks. That's a shame, I quite liked craze in moderation, much as i quite liked dmaa in moderation. But if it's a designer stim then it's a little unfair on the competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    So is the consensus that what is in craze is not an extract of dendrobium?
    The guys at examine cannot find a single piece of literature showing it contains anything worth while for a preworkout.

    http://examine.com/supplements/Dendrobium/

    I'll admit I bought a tub and I was not impress. I either had a tolerance to these compounds or I got a clean batch.
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    Found this on bb. Cahill was stating what he would want to ask the FDA. Last paragraph is the funny part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Its odd how they feel they can do the correct job in enforcing DSHEA (which I would really love for them to do) when they have enough problems trying to regulate RX drugs.

    In recent years they have approved drugs for use that have had horrific side effects (phen/fen combo for example). As well as approving drugs like Botox for what is purely a cosmetic use. Yet they banned ephedra which was far safer then phen/fen.

    As adults we arent allowed to choose to use prohormones (because they banned those as well) for what might be considered a cosmetic use. However any women on the planet can choose to go on hormone replacement therapy (thats what birth control is) for the rest of their lives should they want it. Their only requirement would be to go to a free clinic and ask for it.

    I guess Id just like to know when they are going to finally start being consistent. They dont need more regulations or to further restrict adults from the use of supplements. They've already done enough of that. DSHEA is all that is needed, just make sure all supplement companies conform to those rules.
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    I was one of the first to buy craze because of the raving reviews, yet it still remains sealed fresh in my supplement box of excess supps. I never use a stimulant Pre, learnt from leangains BCAAs were very important pre workout when IFing and I added other powders as recommended by most here, Cit mal, BA, etc. Also I usually take stimulant containing supps throughout the day, plus hypertrophy is my main objective, hence it wasn't required.

    What should I do with it..? I'm guessing not to try it for starters..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    I was one of the first to buy craze because of the raving reviews, yet it still remains sealed fresh in my supplement box of excess supps. I never use a stimulant Pre, learnt from leangains BCAAs were very important pre workout when IFing and I added other powders as recommended by most here, Cit mal, BA, etc. Also I usually take stimulant containing supps throughout the day, plus hypertrophy is my main objective, hence it wasn't required. What should I do with it..? I'm guessing not to try it for starters..?
    Plenty of people would pay top dollar for that tub lol. I of course am not one or them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Crooks the whole company! This is the exact **** that's going to get the supplement industry completely ****ing regulated and controlled by the fda. Think of how many high school kids were taking that **** all the while unknowingly ingesting Ethamphetamines.
    I am curious how many soldiers may have pissed hot for taking this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    I was one of the first to buy craze because of the raving reviews, yet it still remains sealed fresh in my supplement box of excess supps. I never use a stimulant Pre, learnt from leangains BCAAs were very important pre workout when IFing and I added other powders as recommended by most here, Cit mal, BA, etc. Also I usually take stimulant containing supps throughout the day, plus hypertrophy is my main objective, hence it wasn't required.

    What should I do with it..? I'm guessing not to try it for starters..?
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
    Oh, well thats a relief..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Plenty of people would pay top dollar for that tub lol. I of course am not one or them.
    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
    Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Plenty of people would pay top dollar for that tub lol. I of course am not one or them.
    Quote Originally Posted by slowprogress View Post
    Unless you have to drug test for something, try it. You might like it, you might not. I like it at around one scoop pwo. I can certainly say I haven't been stealing babies to sell their organs on the black market for my next fix.
    Thanks guys. Yeah I know it's worth decent $$ but that amount isn't life changing lol. Like I said stim prewos do not interest me so I have no use for it...How long do emphetamines stay in the system..? Don't have a drug test soon but might have one if competing or work, etc. down the track. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outlawed View Post
    Thanks guys. Yeah I know it's worth decent $$ but that amount isn't life changing lol. Like I said stim prewos do not interest me so I have no use for it...How long do emphetamines stay in the system..? Don't have a drug test soon but might have one if competing or work, etc. down the track. Thanks.
    Given this is an analog to Methamphetamine
    Here is a simple list http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htm

    Here are a few studies with a bit more realistic data.
    http://www.clinchem.org/content/48/10/1703.full
    http://www.labmed.yale.edu/Images/de...tcm45-9313.pdf

    But take this data with a grain of salt as this is not the actual chemical in question so short of PA I doubt there is anyone on this forum who can give you a real answer as these are unstudied analogs from what I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo1245 View Post
    much better than the circle jerk going on at the tl forums. all 8 people reading it.
    Yeah, that bb.com thread had a ton of views though...shame some vagina had to cry to the mods about it and get it deleted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Yeah, that bb.com thread had a ton of views though...shame some vagina had to cry to the mods about it and get it deleted...
    It was a good thread so it got deleted.

    I'll tell you though, I don't know why it took this long for me but I am done with Gaspari.
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    What blows my mind is the fact that GNC is still selling this stuff in full force. I thought they tried to avoid products like this like the plague. Hmm
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    Interesting thread. Sub'd
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    I would like to get in the class action lawsuit if there is one, although I havent taken craze since the original batch i would like to get some more of that batch lololol that might sound hypocritical but the relaxing euphoric feeling it gave me felt better than addys.

    if this new batch does have the same effect i may buy a couple before they pull it just to have
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericool007 View Post
    I would like to get in the class action lawsuit if there is one, although I havent taken craze since the original batch i would like to get some more of that batch lololol that might sound hypocritical but the relaxing euphoric feeling it gave me felt better than addys.

    if this new batch does have the same effect i may buy a couple before they pull it just to have
    My gf took me to the mall and in GNC they actually have it on sale for a reasonable price atm (45 servings for $36 amazingly) so i wrote down the lot numbers they had and checked the lot numbers against the ones listed here. No match lol...was thinking about maybe trying it rofl
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    The thing I find funny is a guy selling ethyl amphetamine to be quoting dhsea it's compounds like his that create tighter regulation not that I really care these days but govertments don't need to be handed something to go after supplement regulation on a platter
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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    My gf took me to the mall and in GNC they actually have it on sale for a reasonable price atm (45 servings for $36 amazingly) so i wrote down the lot numbers they had and checked the lot numbers against the ones listed here. No match lol...was thinking about maybe trying it rofl
    Funny thing is, I did the same thing. I wonder how many people stopped by at GNC and asked to see the lot numbers in the case...lol...no matches, but the 1 Detonate matched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GigaPaladin View Post
    Yeah, that bb.com thread had a ton of views though...shame some vagina had to cry to the mods about it and get it deleted...
    All I can say is **** BB.com I was banned for posting studies that made one of their sponsors products look bad...god forbid science might have a place on that board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianp11 View Post
    i'm sure it would be the same if someone badmouthed the sponsors here.

    If someone came on here and badmouthed a product with nothing to back up his/her statements I could see a warning and if it continued eventually a ban but to say that someone quoting actual studies would get banned here if it went against the status quo is a bit of an over statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    If someone came on here and badmouthed a product with nothing to back up his/her statements I could see a warning and if it continued eventually a ban but to say that someone quoting actual studies would get banned here if it went against the status quo is a bit of an over statement.
    I got permanently banned when the Australia craze stuff came out. Not that I even care to be on that website but it was the principal. So I threatened them by saying they are knowingly removing info that May or may not endanger someone's life. They reinstated me with a warning lol.
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