17a hydroxy-pregna-1 4-diene-3 20-dione

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post

    i was actually gonna get some furazadrol but they didn't have any at the place i went to buy it. i think i am going to get a debit card so i can start buying online. it's cheaper and more options.
    I believe its banned


  2. really? i thought i saw some for sale online recently
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    I'm pretty disappointed that this isn't a viable bold alternative. I loved the original bold ph. I'm still pissed they banned it.

    it should make u test positive, that much i can gurantantee u
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  4. it says in that ad that progestin based hormones are active on their own. that is correct, they are active as progestins. not exactly a great marketing point
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  5. is there anything on the market now that is a one step conversion to androstenedione?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    it tastes like ass fwiw. i'm taking 160mg a day.

    prob gonna up it to 200 a day

  7. Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    is there anything on the market now that is a one step conversion to androstenedione?
    no but 17a-hydroxyprogesterone is readily available so anyone can sell it if they want
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  8. perhaps you can make me a batch?

  9. Would reaction of this compounds with trifluoromethanesulfonic acid give you androstenedione and androstadienedione

  10. Quote Originally Posted by YoungJD View Post
    Would reaction of this compounds with trifluoromethanesulfonic acid give you androstenedione and androstadienedione

    Please stop
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    is this oral or topical?the dose just seems too tiny to be of any benefit. the stuff converts to boldione and boldione itself is known to be useless at 20mg a servingcorrect me if i am off base here
    Boldione needs a hell of a lot more than 200mg, let alone 20.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    Boldione needs a hell of a lot more than 200mg, let alone 20.

    but this one goes to 11
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  13. Wish there still was a legit bold pro hormone available like eq plex.
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  14. Is there any reason why any human being should trust or be giving any money to these supplement companies who seem to care about nothing but money and will lie all day and night to manipulate you? Lol

  15. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Is there any reason why any human being should trust or be giving any money to these supplement companies who seem to care about nothing but money and will lie all day and night to manipulate you? Lol
    That's why doing research on the compound is essential.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Wish there still was a legit bold pro hormone available like eq plex.
    Why? That **** kinda sucked IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Is there any reason why any human being should trust or be giving any money to these supplement companies who seem to care about nothing but money and will lie all day and night to manipulate you?
    If someone is lying to you and manipulating you, do you REALLY need to ask if there's a reason to trust them? Or are you that dumb?
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  17. [QUOTE="Beejis60"]Why? That **** kinda sucked IMO.

    It was pretty mild. But it treated me very well. Zero sides, nice strength boost, appetite increase, good consistent lean mass gains, great mood, and my joints felt fantastic.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Is there any reason why any human being should trust or be giving any money to these supplement companies who seem to care about nothing but money and will lie all day and night to manipulate you? Lol
    i ask myself this every day
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  19. should i trust you, Pat?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    should i trust you, Pat?
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  21. Oooo, i love candy!!

  22. I meant reaction with Sodium bismuthate to make androstenedione and androstadiendione

  23. Quote Originally Posted by YoungJD View Post
    I meant reaction with Sodium bismuthate to make androstenedione and androstadiendione
    that may acheive side chain clevage to give the latter compound. i am not sure
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  24. Good Morning, Patrick.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    that may acheive side chain clevage to give the latter compound. i am not sure
    What side chain?

    I know it's apparently a stronger oxidant than KMnO4, I just don't think it exhibits SET behavior. You'd probably have MUCH better luck using Nicolaou's IBX protocol... IDK, say, 4eq IBX in DMSO, 2d at 80*C inside the vessel ought to do the trick
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  26. the pregnane side chain.

    it usually requires previous reduction of the 20-keto group though

    we have done this before. we were trying to make 4-dhea starting from 17a-hydroxyprogesterone at one time. lead tetraacetete worked better, but the amount of lead left in the final product was troubling
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    What side chain?

    I know it's apparently a stronger oxidant than KMnO4, I just don't think it exhibits SET behavior. You'd probably have MUCH better luck using Nicolaou's IBX protocol... IDK, say, 4eq IBX in DMSO, 2d at 80*C inside the vessel ought to do the trick

    IBX unfortunately tends to cause dehydrogenation reactions. u would end up with a considerable amount of 4,6
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  28. u should try to find a copy of carl djreassi's "steroid reactions" beejis
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the pregnane side chain.

    it usually requires previous reduction of the 20-keto group though

    we have done this before. we were trying to make 4-dhea starting from 17a-hydroxyprogesterone at one time. lead tetraacetete worked better, but the amount of lead left in the final product was troubling
    Wasn't he talking about from androstenedione? Amihigh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    IBX unfortunately tends to cause dehydrogenation reactions. u would end up with a considerable amount of 4,6
    Not with androstenedione as an SM... or even androstanedione JACS, 2002, 124(10), 2245. I've memorized all the Nicolaou/Baran IBX papers. This one is a particularly tricky reaction, but doable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u should try to find a copy of carl djreassi's "steroid reactions" beejis
    three american dollars plus shipping? I'll take two.
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