Nastiest Pro-Hormone/ Pro-Steroid/ Steriod You've Used

[Ceredumbellum]

I was reading a M.uscular D.evelopment column by P.A. from several years ago in which he discussed different pro-hormones/ pro-steroids that were still legal at the time. I remember him talking about one that was a pro-hormone to Methyl-1-Testosterone (M1T). I also recall P.A. saying that M1T was the nastiest anabolic/ androgenic agent he had ever tried in terms of side-effects.

It'd be interesting to hear others' takes on the "nastiest" pro-hormone/ pro-steroid/ steroid they've ever used. I personally did a few cycles with M1T and while I did experience some pretty bad sides, my choice would be Methyldienolone (which was brought to the market by P.A.'s BFF, Bruce Kneller). Between the kidney and liver pain, water retention, cramping and terrible depression it caused it is definately #1 on my sh.it list. The gains were pretty good but the sides were just too brutal to handle.

What is the nastiest anabolic/ androgenic you've ever tried?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

M1T definitely for me. THG could put you in a bad mood very quickly, however it did not cause water retention type problems and lethargy

 

[Patrick Arnold]

halotestin doesnt make one feel like a prince either

 

[Beejis60]

halotestin doesnt make one feel like a prince either

Do you normally think you're royalty?

 

[McCrew530]

Tren. turned my manhood into a limp noodle
Phera was my favorite best gains no sides

 

[KimChee]

M1T, was by far the worst, the lethargy was horrible I was always tired. The gains were pretty good, but there were times I was thinking to myself, man is this what it feels like to be dying? I went ahead and kept taking it..ahh youth..

 

[King Wood]

Tren for me. Little to no sex drive, like shooting pool with a rope. And moody. I wanted to lift and beat anyone who got in my way at the gym, but in the next breath I wanted to go shoe shopping and watch the notebook. Hahaa

 

[keepnbreezy]

Tren. turned my manhood into a limp noodle
Phera was my favorite best gains no sides

What did you use to get your manhood back working right?

 

[Swanson52]

M1T, no question. As posted-EXTREME lethargy, what I think was internal organ pain, low back pumps that were damn near incapacitating.

On the other hand, that stuff blew my weight & lifts up incomprehensibly fast.

 

[thegodfather]

M1T. Tried it when it first came out back in the early 2000s. Death in a bottle... Seriously.

 

[Beejis60]

Tren. turned my manhood into a limp noodle
Phera was my favorite best gains no sides

Tren for me. Little to no sex drive, like shooting pool with a rope. And moody. I wanted to lift and beat anyone who got in my way at the gym, but in the next breath I wanted to go shoe shopping and watch the notebook. Hahaa

WHAT? I wanted to **** EVERYTHING when I was on tren. Were you guys taking it solo or with test? And what dose?

IMO, tren is the best steroid. Ever.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Do you normally think you're royalty?

when i run out of meds, yes

 

[Patrick Arnold]

M1T, was by far the worst, the lethargy was horrible I was always tired. The gains were pretty good, but there were times I was thinking to myself, man is this what it feels like to be dying? I went ahead and kept taking it..ahh youth..

the symptoms of pulmonary hypertension are frighteningly similar to what i felt on M1T

Pulmonary hypertension symptoms include:

• Shortness of breath (dyspnea), initially while exercising and eventually while at rest
• Fatigue
• Dizziness or fainting spells (syncope)
• Chest pressure or pain
• Swelling (edema) in your ankles, legs and eventually in your abdomen (ascites)
• Bluish color to your lips and skin (cyanosis)
• Racing pulse or heart palpitations

 

[King Wood]

I took it with mass extreme it was my first PH cycle. Didn't really know what I was doing. Used aromazine and later tribulous. Like I said I didn't really know what I was doing so it took me a few years and a lot of research to get back to normal. Luckily i skated with little to no gyno. And natural test is back at about 600. I'm much more educated now, some guy in the gym said hey u wana get big just take this with some peanut butter and u will blow up. Lesson learned.

 

[King Wood]

WHAT? I wanted to **** EVERYTHING when I was on tren. Were you guys taking it solo or with test? And what dose?

IMO, tren is the best steroid. Ever.

I took it with mass extreme it was my first PH cycle. Didn't really know what I was doing. Used aromazine and later tribulous. Like I said I didn't really know what I was doing so it took me a few years and a lot of research to get back to normal. Luckily i skated with little to no gyno. And natural test is back at about 600. I'm much more educated now, some guy in the gym said hey u wana get big just take this with some peanut butter and u will blow up. Lesson learned.

 

[KimChee]

Funny you mention that, I did notice LE swelling with 3+ pitting edema, and dyspnea, though I did not have the background back then that I do now..if I may mention favorites 1-AD solo was my favorite PH of all time.

the symptoms of pulmonary hypertension are frighteningly similar to what i felt on M1T

Pulmonary hypertension symptoms include:

• Shortness of breath (dyspnea), initially while exercising and eventually while at rest
• Fatigue
• Dizziness or fainting spells (syncope)
• Chest pressure or pain
• Swelling (edema) in your ankles, legs and eventually in your abdomen (ascites)
• Bluish color to your lips and skin (cyanosis)
• Racing pulse or heart palpitations

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Funny you mention that, I did notice LE swelling with 3+ pitting edema, and dyspnea, though I did not have the background back then that I do now..if I may mention favorites 1-AD solo was my favorite PH of all time.

me too plus i had chest pressure and pain. after climbing stairs a few times i broke out in a sweat and thought i might have a heart attack. my fingers were like sausages

 

[McCrew530]

Inhibit-P and D-aspartic acid, plus a nibble on some Cialis when it absolutely had to be destroyed over night. And all the proper PCT when the cycle was over with continued use of the two for mentioned supplements I was back to normal in two weeks.

 

[McCrew530]

The Second time I ran Tren (Trenbolone) it was in combo with Test cyp @50mg ed. No problems then. But the prohomrome made my pud silly-puddy

 

[Beejis60]

I took it with mass extreme it was my first PH cycle. Didn't really know what I was doing. Used aromazine and later tribulous. Like I said I didn't really know what I was doing so it took me a few years and a lot of research to get back to normal. Luckily i skated with little to no gyno. And natural test is back at about 600. I'm much more educated now, some guy in the gym said hey u wana get big just take this with some peanut butter and u will blow up. Lesson learned.

IDK wtf mass extreme is, but if you're taking a hormone for the first time, it should be with something you've used before or solo. Obviously, you should never use tren without test, and I mean the real tren. I forgot about that stupidass "ph/ds" called tren. I meant trenbolone acetate. IDK what PB has anything to do with anything. Anyone in a gym is likely an idiot forumbrah and you can't take their info seriously, at least in my experience.

The Second time I ran Tren (Trenbolone) it was in combo with Test cyp @50mg ed. No problems then. But the prohomrome made my pud silly-puddy

Tren is not a PH/DS; IDC about that one ****ty product's name either.
You should never take tren solo, IMO. Ever. And you don't need tren ED unless you're trying to be a pro, imo. Tren ace 75mg eod is perfect, ime. I never stop making strength gains and I never lose it post PCT.

 

[McCrew530]

Tren is not a PH/DS; IDC about that one ****ty product's name either.
You should never take tren solo, IMO. Ever. And you don't need tren ED unless you're trying to be a pro, imo. Tren ace 75mg eod is perfect, ime. I never stop making strength gains and I never lose it post PCT.

The Ph "Tren" that I was refering to was, and dont quote me on this, dienolone? It was a while ago. And I agree with you 100% on Trenbalone not being run solo. I am a proponant that any injec. cycle should have some Test Cyp or Prop base. to suplement in with any other compounds being used.

 

[bioman]

M1T.."test flu after 5 days. Total shutdown in 7 even at 5mg. Lethargy so bad I was useless.

SD..worst depression I've ever experienced. Seriously awful and probably should have been hospitalized, will never touch again.

Phera...starts off nice, but gives me terrible apnea after a week to where I am literally gasping for air every 10 minutes when trying to sleep. Feels like instant hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and anxiety attack all wrapped into one. Too bad, because my muscles like it.


Best experience was "The One" by app nut. Miss that stuff.

 

[BBB]

Superdrol. I went in for my annual check-up about three weeks after finishing a 6 week cycle of Superdrol and my liver readings were off-the-charts. My doctor wanted to put me in the hospital and run a series of tests on my liver. I leveled with him about my prohormone usage. He checked me about 6 weeks later and everything was back to normal. I felt fine the entire cycle. You can't always rely on how you feel on-cycle.

 

[vidapreta]

M1T.."test flu after 5 days. Total shutdown in 7 even at 5mg. Lethargy so bad I was useless.

SD..worst depression I've ever experienced. Seriously awful and probably should have been hospitalized, will never touch again.

Phera...starts off nice, but gives me terrible apnea after a week to where I am literally gasping for air every 10 minutes when trying to sleep. Feels like instant hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and anxiety attack all wrapped into one. Too bad, because my muscles like it.

Seems like you should just go natural..

 

[Beejis60]

Total shutdown in 7 even at 5mg.

Did you have bloods taken to confirm this?

And M1T is very shytty, indeed.

 

[bigadam73]

Does anybody remember rage RV-5?? **** started giving me gyno day 3 of my cycle.. Also nasty chest pain

EvoLabs use to make some amazing pro hormones, god I miss there arimEvol.. Such a amazing OTC pct and standalone

 

[vidapreta]

And M1T is very shytty, indeed.

For me I feel worse on Superdrol than m1t.. Although Not enough to stop me from taking it..

 

[thegodfather]

Superdrol. I went in for my annual check-up about three weeks after finishing a 6 week cycle of Superdrol and my liver readings were off-the-charts. My doctor wanted to put me in the hospital and run a series of tests on my liver. I leveled with him about my prohormone usage. He checked me about 6 weeks later and everything was back to normal. I felt fine the entire cycle. You can't always rely on how you feel on-cycle.

I'd put this behind M1T. Superdrol made me feel like ass too.

 

[truthornothin]

I'd put this behind M1T. Superdrol made me feel like ass too.

Nothing worse than M1t...I could literally feel the damage. I threw away about 6 bottles of the stuff I bought when they were going to ban it. I used on bottle and decided it wan't worth it ...though about selling it and realized that you be wrong. so I tossed it. S-Drol is also bad but no so bad that I won't use it

 

[McCrew530]

Hey I know this is going in a slightly different direction but does anyone want to speculate on how bed the sides will be on the new Alpha20 product ( M1A) It has some conversion to M1T but is an active compound on its own.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Hey I know this is going in a slightly different direction but does anyone want to speculate on how bed the sides will be on the new Alpha20 product ( M1A) It has some conversion to M1T but is an active compound on its own.

I would bet that it gives similar sides. 1-ad and 1-test were pretty indistinguishable

 

[BigMfer]

Havoc! I just did M1T cycle with 4AD. It's sweet! I have more and plan on another run. But Havoc was the worst.

 

[McCrew530]

I would bet that it gives similar sides. 1-ad and 1-test were pretty indistinguishable

Nice, that is what I was thinking. And thank you for the reply. I appreciate it!

 

[McCrew530]

Havoc! I just did M1T cycle with 4AD. It's sweet! I have more and plan on another run. But Havoc was the worst.

What about Havoc made it unbearable?

 

[BigMfer]

What about Havoc made it unbearable?

Havoc made my joints feel dry. The gains were crap. I felt lethargic and just miserable. It was long ago, but I remember saying never again. Is M1T nasty? It can be. Everyone is different. I have run M1T several ways...the worst way is alone! Stack it right and it's good.

 

[ironranger]

Oxadrol-12 by IDS was nasty.
Never able to complete a cycle (still have 3 boxes). Sides were awful. Ingredients on box label not quite what I believe to be in actual tabs?? This was in the day you could put anything in a tab, and fudge the ingriedient list on the label. Has anything changed?

 

[thegodfather]

40 mgs Epistane gave me horrible anxiety. Always on the verge of a damn anxiety attack and would have a hard time catching my breath.

 

[McCrew530]

40 mgs Epistane gave me horrible anxiety. Always on the verge of a damn anxiety attack and would have a hard time catching my breath.

It is strange how each persons body reacts different to each compound. I did a 6 week run of epi @ 60mg and found it to be quite mild. I had zero sides and my bp was even.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

remember that whats in the bottle is not always whats on the label, so some of you guys potentially could have bought one thing and actually took something different

 

[bioman]

Pretty sure, based on the way I felt, that I took a rat poison/Draino stack.

 

[chico1]

Aynone ever experienced any bad sides on Hdrol? From what I've heard its one of the mildest, but just curious.

 

[bigadam73]

Aynone ever experienced any bad sides on Hdrol? From what I've heard its one of the mildest, but just curious.

Yes, I got delayed gyno after a h drol cycle... Most likely because of the bunk research chems I used for pct

 

[Beejis60]

Yes, I got delayed gyno after a h drol cycle... Most likely because of the bunk research chems I used for pct

Well, what did you use as a PCT? If you used an AI, then it's not bunk research chems but more like you're an idiot.

 

[bigadam73]

Well, what did you use as a PCT? If you used an AI, then it's not bunk research chems but more like you're an idiot.

I used a serm. Nolva

 

[Beejis60]

I used a serm. Nolva

Well you have to look at the obvious... did you use testosterone with this? If not, then you're just asking for trouble in the first place. Little to no circulating test exacerbates side effects massively; that's why I hate these PH/DS only cycles that people run and bitch about all the negatives they feel. Shyt, even test at 150mg/week would have helped. Either way, I don't like using tamox so I cannot comment on what I've felt and/or blood facts from my experience. The question you need to ask yourself though is at what dose are you running a SERM when you have no test circulating? Do you understand the pharmacokinetics of tamox? Or are you just taking the off-the-shelf ebro recommendation of tamox use? As my understanding, HD use and PCT was easier than drinking water, however I believe that HD tends to increase estrogen so AI use in tandem with clomid could have been a viable option if you had used it properly. In the end, it's hard to rationalize an ending of story with a fragment. It could be bunk shyt, it could be you, or it could be a million other things.

 

[Captn_the]

^^^ good post :thumb:

Yes, I got delayed gyno after a h drol cycle... Most likely because of the bunk research chems I used for pct

Plenty of ppl had issues with CEL mdrol, not so much hdrol.

I think superdrol is generally mild in regards to sides, but I only ever used IML products - so it appears the purity of the source counts for much. Oh, I would always run it with test.

Tren? Jesus. Love-hate. I keep my doses well low, like 40mg ED and run for a Max of 6 weeks. It rockets my libido but fks with my sleeping. Post tren depression is a bitch

 

[thegodfather]

Tren scares me.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

Methyl-1-Testosterone (M1T). I also recall P.A. saying that M1T was the nastiest anabolic/ androgenic agent he had ever tried in terms of side-effects.

that's pretty apt description..most powerful for benefits, and worst ever for sides, simultaneously
(hmm maybe there's a connection?)
blew you up quicker than anything, and you deflated afterwards almost as quickly
horrible stuff, devil on this earth..but i don't do well with methylated product anyway

Havoc made my joints feel dry. The gains were crap.

you were taking havoc for "gains"?

 

[GQNemesis]

I miss. Kilosports Trenadrol

 

[Beejis60]

Tren scares me.

Hope this is sarcastic...

tren or gtfo