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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    amounts of stuff like creatine, amino acids, and especially caffeine should be listed on the label IMO. Other things can be under propietary blend part though
    I think the amount of ANY stimulant should be listed, for numerous reasons. I can't tell you how many supplements I've passed up purchasing because the amount of one or another stimulant was hidden in the prop. blend.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Bro 400% increase in TEST!!!!
    400% increase in free test and some crazy number like 1100% increase in LBM over 8 weeks
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    400% increase in free test and some crazy number like 1100% increase in LBM over 8 weeks
    Say it ain't so

  4. In regards to DMAA. Did anyone else find it odd that within 10 days of all the sensationalist articles about the death of that soldier. The FDA advisory committee approved a new diet drug for the first time in 5 years? That seems like very suspicious timing to me. Seems like a great opportunity to knock off a cheap and popular alternative

    Not alleging any conspiracy in the death of the solider. Just that it was seized and blown out of proportion before they had any evidence to link DMAA to the death. It was said in the original that the coroner could find no conclusive evidence to suggest that DMAA was solely responsible

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Ceredumbellum View Post
    I think the amount of ANY stimulant should be listed, for numerous reasons. I can't tell you how many supplements I've passed up purchasing because the amount of one or another stimulant was hidden in the prop. blend.
    if a company came up with a novel product that works as a stimulant that contains new ingredients then putting exactly how much is in the product is an invitation for it to be immediately and easily copied by all competitors. Knowing that, the company probably wouldnt even bother doing the R and D in the first place. And yeah the possibility of patenting might be there but a patent application is ignored by most. Even an approved patent is worthless unless you have a lot of money to enforce it


    its not always clear cut when you look at it from both perspectives.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by cdsfx View Post
    In regards to DMAA. Did anyone else find it odd that within 10 days of all the sensationalist articles about the death of that soldier. The FDA advisory committee approved a new diet drug for the first time in 5 years? That seems like very suspicious timing to me. Seems like a great opportunity to knock off a cheap and popular alternative

    e

    I seriously doubt there is any connection for variety of reasons.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by cdsfx View Post
    In regards to DMAA. Did anyone else find it odd that within 10 days of all the sensationalist articles about the death of that soldier. The FDA advisory committee approved a new diet drug for the first time in 5 years? That seems like very suspicious timing to me. Seems like a great opportunity to knock off a cheap and popular alternative

    Not alleging any conspiracy in the death of the solider. Just that it was seized and blown out of proportion before they had any evidence to link DMAA to the death. It was said in the original that the coroner could find no conclusive evidence to suggest that DMAA was solely responsible
    You're right on the money. I wouldn't be surprised... actually I believe that the government was responsible for contaminating l-tryptophan to poison thousands in order to increase revenue for Prozac and other SSRIs that were springing up. Peak X is akin to 'agent orange'.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I seriously doubt there is any connection for variety of reasons.
    Everything is connected.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    You're right on the money. I wouldn't be surprised... actually I believe that the government was responsible for contaminating l-tryptophan to poison thousands in order to increase revenue for Prozac and other SSRIs that were springing up. Peak X is akin to 'agent orange'.
    u have got to be kidding me
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u have got to be kidding me
    Not really. Let's just drop it.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Not really. Let's just drop it.

    i am just saying that just because you think there is a motive that does not prove anything

    The reason for the tryptophan contamination was quite well documented. Showa Denko used fermentation to make the product and an impurity was identified that was neurotoxic. When the method of manufacture was corrected the problem was solved, unfortunately the FDA ban was never lifted
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    You're right on the money. I wouldn't be surprised... actually I believe that the government was responsible for contaminating l-tryptophan to poison thousands in order to increase revenue for Prozac and other SSRIs that were springing up. Peak X is akin to 'agent orange'.
    Wait.. what?

    wow.. what a sad world you must live in.

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    You're right on the money. I wouldn't be surprised... actually I believe that the government was responsible for contaminating l-tryptophan to poison thousands in order to increase revenue for Prozac and other SSRIs that were springing up. Peak X is akin to 'agent orange'.
    Hopefully you realize how crazy/implausible/impossible/paranoid/tinfoil this sounds...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post
    Hopefully you realize how crazy/implausible/impossible/paranoid/tinfoil this sounds...
    Yeah, I used to also put a 'Support the Troops' sticker on the back of my car to support US troops slaughtering Iraqis in order for us to gain control of resources, because I was mad at some Middle Easterns with box-cutters who killed 3,000 civilians on 9-11. Yeah, crazy. I know.

    Allow me to attempt to boost my reputation on this board... I'm sorry. FDA is here to protect us There is NO connection and I love Ergopharm and anything PA says. And yes, government and pharmaceuticals have no connection either. Oh, please guys... So, sorry... Don't bash me anymore
    Freedom means nothing here.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    if a company came up with a novel product that works as a stimulant that contains new ingredients then putting exactly how much is in the product is an invitation for it to be immediately and easily copied by all competitors. Knowing that, the company probably wouldnt even bother doing the R and D in the first place. And yeah the possibility of patenting might be there but a patent application is ignored by most. Even an approved patent is worthless unless you have a lot of money to enforce it


    its not always clear cut when you look at it from both perspectives.
    Good point. But I don't think it's too much to ask for a company to list the amount of caffeine per serving. Everybody has different caffeine tolerances, some greater than others.
    There's a pre-workout I took a while back that had 300mg caffeine per scoop, but it was listed as part of the prop. blend. That's more than twice what I would prefer and I know a lot of people can't stand PWO's/ thermogenics that are loaded with caffeine. I was able to figure out the 300mg after many Google searches, took 1/2 a scoop and was pretty happy with the results.
    If a company feels disclosing the amount of caffeine that's in its' product is detrimental and thinks it should be hidden in the prop. blend, then it's probably not a very good product to begin with. I have taken your products and every one I've tried has caffeine listed seperately in total mg's per serving. I don't see why others can't do the same. It's not gonna impact their bottom line like if they found a novel stim. and didn't want a bunch of copycats.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Yeah, I used to also put a 'Support the Troops' sticker on the back of my car to support US troops slaughtering Iraqis in order for us to gain control of resources, because I was mad at some Middle Easterns with box-cutters who killed 3,000 civilians on 9-11. Yeah, crazy. I know.

    Allow me to attempt to boost my reputation on this board... I'm sorry. FDA is here to protect us There is NO connection and I love Ergopharm and anything PA says. And yes, government and pharmaceuticals have no connection either. Oh, please guys... So, sorry... Don't bash me anymore
    Whether or not a war is ethical, I still think you should support the troops, seeing as they are people just like you and me. The same goes for Iraqis. We should really support "the people," regardless of country.

    On a side note: Out of 1,3D and ordered some original AMP (never had it before). Am I gonna be amazed?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Whether or not a war is ethical, I still think you should support the troops, seeing as they are people just like you and me. The same goes for Iraqis. We should really support "the people," regardless of country.

    On a side note: Out of 1,3D and ordered some original AMP (never had it before). Am I gonna be amazed?
    I do support the troops, but not by paying money for a cheesey bumper sticker that doesn't help support the troops what-so-ever. Mr. Cooper, I take serious offense to being called out on something I didn't even say; Especially something like that. Even a statement as seemingly abrasive as the one I made, doesn't warrant you making me out to be anti-military or something.
    Freedom means nothing here.

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    And this was warranted?

    Never mind I take back my previous comment. You are clearly a objective and rational person who doesn't over react. My bad

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    I do support the troops, but not by paying money for a cheesey bumper sticker that doesn't help support the troops what-so-ever. Mr. Cooper, I take serious offense to being called out on something I didn't even say; Especially something like that. Even a statement as seemingly abrasive as the one I made, doesn't warrant you making me out to be anti-military or something.
    Whoa, easy dude lol. Just discussion. I didn't make you out to be anti-military at all. You're the one who quite literally just "called me out for something I didn't even say."


    I must have missed the intense turn this thread has taken . Carry on

  20. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
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    And this was warranted?

    Never mind I take back my previous cokment. You are clearly a objective and rational person who doesn't over react. My bad

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Yeah, I used to also put a 'Support the Troops' sticker on the back of my car to support US troops slaughtering Iraqis in order for us to gain control of resources, because I was mad at some Middle Easterns with box-cutters who killed 3,000 civilians on 9-11. Yeah, crazy. I know.

    Allow me to attempt to boost my reputation on this board... I'm sorry. FDA is here to protect us There is NO connection and I love Ergopharm and anything PA says. And yes, government and pharmaceuticals have no connection either. Oh, please guys... So, sorry... Don't bash me anymore

    no ones arguing that there are certain connections
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Ceredumbellum View Post
    If a company feels disclosing the amount of caffeine that's in its' product is detrimental and thinks it should be hidden in the prop. blend, then it's probably not a very good product to begin with.

    word
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
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    Posting private messages is considered very bad netteqitue
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  24. you mean hiding 400+mgs of caffeine in a prop blend so people can "feel" all the other microdosed ingredients in the formula "working" is a bad thing? haha

    my second favorite thing in the market is take 1/2 scoop to assess tolerance, after assessing tolerance add 3 Heaping scoops to 16-20 oz of your favorite beverage....that 30 scoop container gone in 10 days

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Posting private messages is considered very bad netteqitue
    Just presenting evidence to support the notion under my tounge in cheek comment about him

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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    I do support the troops, but not by paying money for a cheesey bumper sticker that doesn't help support the troops what-so-ever. Mr. Cooper, I take serious offense to being called out on something I didn't even say; Especially something like that. Even a statement as seemingly abrasive as the one I made, doesn't warrant you making me out to be anti-military or something.
    Paranoia seems to be a recurrent theme here.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Whoa, easy dude lol. Just discussion. I didn't make you out to be anti-military at all. You're the one who quite literally just "called me out for something I didn't even say."


    I must have missed the intense turn this thread has taken . Carry on
    Take it easy on him. He must be on some of that D-Ball (Stronger Than Steroids!) I saw for sale in the back of my BB magazine. No other way to explain that kind of anger and blind fury. Androgen overload is what that is.
    I walk away for a few to take a sh!t and come back to an all-out sh!t storm.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Ceredumbellum View Post
    Take it easy on him. He must be on some of that D-Ball (Stronger Than Steroids!) I saw for sale in the back of my BB magazine. No other way to explain that kind of anger and blind fury. Androgen overload is what that is.
    I walk away for a few to take a sh!t and come back to an all-out sh!t storm.
    D-Ball?? You mean Dragon Ball??



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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Ceredumbellum View Post
    Take it easy on him. He must be on some of that D-Ball (Stronger Than Steroids!) I saw for sale in the back of my BB magazine. No other way to explain that kind of anger and blind fury. Androgen overload is what that is.
    I walk away for a few to take a sh!t and come back to an all-out sh!t storm.
    It was probably just a misunderstanding. We've gotten along great in the past, so I can't imagine it's anything personal

  30. I apologize to everyone here today for my attitude in this thread. My cat was having problems with her lungs and I found her dead in her litter box.

    I support the troops, but not the agenda. I give merit to logical theories when it comes to government and politics. Mr. Cooper, you're right about being in a funk, so I apologize.

    JudoJosh, I don't care what notion is under your tongue or what kind of world you think I'm living in. There are indeed whacky people out there who live in a sad enough world that just might change the course of your life and are aware of the consequences and 'sadly' just don't care. Hell, a lot of things have been happening lately in the world today and many of just don't know why these people do what they do. But, what matters is that they do these things and these things can really have an impact on that particular person and others close to the person. Let's drop this and I'll go on with my whacky theories and you can go educate people on the benefits of taking USP Labs products.
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