any lean muscle supplements I could take?

[Paddy]

Im currently trying to lean up a little bit but id like to gain a little muscle too.
Im training hard and my diet is a consistent 35:30:35 as not to have too high carbs and water retention (I get very high water from carbs)
I would like to add something to help me out in the supplement department, maybe a DHEA metabolite or something else, preferably non hormonal seeing as my age is 18, unless it is a very safe hormone, id not like to take it.
I currently have Fish oils, creatine, whey protein.
Is there anything such as a recomp supplement I can take?
also Im into my 2nd year of serious training now, just before people say Im a complete beginner, even though 2 years isnt very long.

[ThunderHumper]

dhea metablites are in the prohormone category so those are out. most supplements are bunk as hell unless you buy the bulk ingredients that work. that leaves you with diet, which has the most effect on how lean your gains will be. i, not talking about macro breakdown like you posted, but focus on finding your personal bmr, and eat barely over it. thepoint is to grow, not eat enough for extra cals to be stored for energy

[Paddy]

Diet is usually very important to me, I keep that one quite tight, so few faults occur there. I didnt realise they were prohormones too, would they cause suppression in the same way then? My BMR though is apparently around 1850, but with my activity and my size I know that if I have below 2400 I am not getting enough to grow. Ive heard of insulin mimickers and done a little research, would they be of any use here?

[southpaw23]

Diet + Alphamine works wonders.

[Distilled Water]

AP sounds right up your ally! It does the work separate from insulin.

I'm a riged keto guy but I do switch to traditional diets, with the implementation of AP. I've been using since its inception (former anabolic pump) and still love it

[Paddy]

Im planning on bumping up my fat intake to 45% of my diet and lowering carbs to 25% or around that.
What is this AP stuff?

[ThunderHumper]

Diet is usually very important to me, I keep that one quite tight, so few faults occur there. I didnt realise they were prohormones too, would they cause suppression in the same way then? My BMR though is apparently around 1850, but with my activity and my size I know that if I have below 2400 I am not getting enough to grow. Ive heard of insulin mimickers and done a little research, would they be of any use here?

they have the potential too, but nearly as bad as the methyls. theyre really the only "prohormones" left on the market becase most everything else is just a methylated steroid. dhea metablites have 2 conversions

[Paddy]

they have the potential too, but nearly as bad as the methyls. theyre really the only "prohormones" left on the market becase most everything else is just a methylated steroid. dhea metablites have 2 conversions

Luckily for me I am in the UK, so am able to get all of the above very easily if I decided on using one. Is there nothing really available to me for leaning me out a bit whilst helping be get that extra bit of muscle, even if I stayed at 165lbs and then dropped 3.5% fat then I'd be very happy!

[Paddy]

anyone else help?

[hvactech]

Dropping 3.5% while maintaining mass would be a very successful recomp

[Paddy]

Id have to lose 5 pounds fat and gain 5 pounds muscle, if my calc is correct.

[Distilled Water]

Im planning on bumping up my fat intake to 45% of my diet and lowering carbs to 25% or around that.
What is this AP stuff?

In a nutshell, AP activates GLUT4 in striated muscle cells without exercise or insulin. GLUT4 is a transport protein that is responsible for glucose disposal in muscle and fat cells. GLUT4 is activated by Insulin, exercise, or AP

You can also search "Anabolic Pump" theyre the same thing, AP is just the "new" version

[Paddy]

Would anabeta elite be worth while at all?

[hvactech]

a dozen supplements would be considered worth it.....any of our growth series products would work perfectly fine for your goals

[chimeranD]

From the sounds of it Ur-Spray would be perfect for you. It's a non-ph supplement that would work great for a recomp.

[EatMoar]

can you run alphamine if your trying to gain mass? Would that be counter productive? And the best suppliment for staying lean : Chicken

[Patrick Arnold]

From the sounds of it Ur-Spray would be perfect for you. It's a non-ph supplement that would work great for a recomp.

apologies for jumping in on what apparently has become the USP/PES forum but i concur that Ur spray is a great choicehttp://www.prototypenutrition.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode =UR

[hvactech]

can you run alphamine if your trying to gain mass? Would that be counter productive? And the best suppliment for staying lean : Chicken

Yes

[EatMoar]

Yes

Yes to which question

[hvactech]

Yes to which question

You can use AM during a bulk, i use 1 scoop in the morn and currently in a light surplus