Debdrobium extract in this.....

[Ceredumbellum]

PA,

I know there's a product review section but since (to my knowledge) this hasn't hit the market yet, I was wondering what you thought about it (specifically the now infamous "Dendrobium"). And do you think we'll start seeing Dendrobium more and more in thermogenic supplements?

Anybody who has had the chance to sample this already please chime in.... I'm interested to know what it's like and if it's anything like DS Craze.

[Diesel0022]

Which alkaloid?

My compass points towards useless.

[Ceredumbellum]

Which alkaloid?

My compass points towards useless.

I was under the impression that there were several different alkaloids (at least according to DS and their Craze product). But it does make you wonder why they would include B-Phenylethylamine HCL with the Dendrobium extract since B-Phenylethylamine is (allegedly) one of its' alkaloids. Maybe I'm off a bit, but it seems like something doesn't jive with this whole formula. Recent studies have shown Dendrobium contains several naturally occuring alkaloids. The problem is none of those alkaloids are PEA's.
http:/ / m.newhope360.com /regulation-and-legislation/dmaa-successor-dendrobium-legit?page=2
This whole thing has had me intrigued since the first time I took Craze... Insane high with an equally insane crash. I'm anxious to try this product (and any other supplements that contain Dendrobium extract) to find out if this whole Dendrobium thing is legit or if it's just another case of cute marketing to cover up adulterated supplements. Craze was just that.... Crazy. It was too much of a roller coaster for me. It sucks that DMAA won't be around much longer; especially the really good DMAA-based supplements (Clearshot, Jack3d, the old Ergolean, etc...). Those were great, "clean" feeling stimulants that didn't cause much of a crash. It seems like everything that's effective eventually gets pulled... and that's a damned shame.

[Patrick Arnold]

PA,

I know there's a product review section but since (to my knowledge) this hasn't hit the market yet, I was wondering what you thought about it (specifically the now infamous "Dendrobium"). And do you think we'll start seeing Dendrobium more and more in thermogenic supplements?

Anybody who has had the chance to sample this already please chime in.... I'm interested to know what it's like and if it's anything like DS Craze.

i havent a friggin clue

[Diesel0022]

I was under the impression that there were several different alkaloids (at least according to DS and their Craze product). But it does make you wonder why they would include B-Phenylethylamine HCL with the Dendrobium extract since B-Phenylethylamine is (allegedly) one of its' alkaloids. Maybe I'm off a bit, but it seems like something doesn't jive with this whole formula. Recent studies have shown Dendrobium contains several naturally occuring alkaloids. The problem is none of those alkaloids are PEA's.
http:/ / m.newhope360.com /regulation-and-legislation/dmaa-successor-dendrobium-legit?page=2
This whole thing has had me intrigued since the first time I took Craze... Insane high with an equally insane crash. I'm anxious to try this product (and any other supplements that contain Dendrobium extract) to find out if this whole Dendrobium thing is legit or if it's just another case of cute marketing to cover up adulterated supplements. Craze was just that.... Crazy. It was too much of a roller coaster for me. It sucks that DMAA won't be around much longer; especially the really good DMAA-based supplements (Clearshot, Jack3d, the old Ergolean, etc...). Those were great, "clean" feeling stimulants that didn't cause much of a crash. It seems like everything that's effective eventually gets pulled... and that's a damned shame.

Enjoy

http://ogrestrengthpharmacology.webn...ium-alkaloids/

[Patrick Arnold]

companies have been known to put "red herring" ingredients in products - to throw off the competition as to what really are the actives

[Ceredumbellum]

Enjoy

http://ogrestrengthpharmacology.webn...ium-alkaloids/

Interesting information and dialouge... Thanks for the link.

[Diesel0022]

"We conducted our product development in a controlled environment with safety and performance enhancement in mind. We've tried hundreds of extracts from hundreds of different plants, and we didn't release Craze until we found something extraordinary."


controlled studies on hundreds of plant extracts?

how many of you believe this?

They forgot that they tested dozens of different alkaloids from each plant......and tested each alkaloid from hundreds of plants.

Sounds viable.........

[Ceredumbellum]

It insults my goddam intelligence

I think anybody with half a brain had their intelligence insulted long ago when all of this non-sense started and they doubled-down on their claims of natural plant extracts and alkaloids from Dendrobium, Dendromine, Dendrobex, Dendrobull****, etc...

[DkGreek]

I am pissed at DS--- they keep refusing to acknowledge to those of us who have used both versions of craze and noted major differences between the OG and new formula... Perhaps Dendrobium Extract is a red herring. Looks like Gaspari may have fallen for it.

[Iron_Will]

I dont know what your talking about. The later version shows a bit more energy but all in all i get exactly the same effect.

[bdcc]

I am pissed at DS--- they keep refusing to acknowledge to those of us who have used both versions of craze and noted major differences between the OG and new formula... Perhaps Dendrobium Extract is a red herring. Looks like Gaspari may have fallen for it.

I noticed this. I gave one of my clients the two scoop serving of Crazolade and he came back to me asking what they had done to it because it was significantly weaker than the previous tub he had tried months before.

The big noticeable difference for me was that I get no numbing feeling on the back of my throat with my new tub. I got it every time I used it with the last tub.

[Patrick Arnold]

I dont know what your talking about. The later version shows a bit more energy but all in all i get exactly the same effect.

you should be comparing lots of product and not different flavors or color of labels

with products sometimes there are issues with specific lots and you cant figure that out without cross referencing the lot number stamped on the bottle

[Angelbolic]

There is now a Chinese company offering a dendrobium ''extract'' containing the same compounds found in Craze's ''extract'' + 2 extra compounds.

Dunno if those 2 compounds have any stimulant or MAOI properties though. I also wonder if they reverse-engineered the OG version or if it's just a marketing tool (look we found out and now offer the original extract).

[Patrick Arnold]

There is now a Chinese company offering a dendrobium ''extract'' containing the same compounds found in Craze's ''extract'' + 2 extra compounds.

Dunno if those 2 compounds have any stimulant or MAOI properties though. I also wonder if they reverse-engineered the OG version or if it's just a marketing tool (look we found out and now offer the original extract).

would like to see the spec sheet.

isnt it true that dendrobrium does not typically contain phenethylamines in any quantity?

[Angelbolic]

would like to see the spec sheet.

I bet they're more than happy to provide you [a fake] one. They claim it contains nobilonine and 6-hydroxydendrobine in addition to the compounds found in Craze's ''extract''.

isnt it true that dendrobrium does not typically contain phenethylamines in any quantity?

That's what's being claimed by several analytical laboratories indeed:

nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/Dendrobium-containing-Craze-pre-workout-supplement-hit-with-CA-class-action

[Patrick Arnold]

I bet they're more than happy to provide you [a fake] one. They claim it contains nobilonine and 6-hydroxydendrobine in addition to the compounds found in Craze's ''extract''.


That's what's being claimed by several analytical laboratories indeed:

nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/Dendrobium-containing-Craze-pre-workout-supplement-hit-with-CA-class-action

u need a better link

[Angelbolic]

u need a better link

Put w w w. in front (works here) They changed the rules so I now need to have 150 posts to post the full link.

[Angelbolic]

Patrick, could you speculate about the pharmacological properties of nobilonine and 6-hydroxydendrobine?

[Patrick Arnold]

Patrick, could you speculate about the pharmacological properties of nobilonine and 6-hydroxydendrobine?

i dont know a single thing about them. perhaps you can elaborate since you know how to spell them at least, which is more than i know