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    Pretty much what the title says.

    I managed to stockpile some DMAA but i want to experiment with some alternatives though for when the enivitable comes!!

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag View Post
    Pretty much what the title says.

    I managed to stockpile some DMAA but i want to experiment with some alternatives though for when the enivitable comes!!

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag View Post
    Pretty much what the title says.

    I managed to stockpile some DMAA but i want to experiment with some alternatives though for when the enivitable comes!!

    Thanks.

    What is the "enivitable"?.... DMAA isn't going anywhere.
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    Dmaa sucks
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    DMAA rocks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    Dmaa sucks
    Then why even look at my post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    What is the "enivitable"?.... DMAA isn't going anywhere.
    Just been banned where i'm from. Dogs!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    What is the "enivitable"?.... DMAA isn't going anywhere.
    Yes it is
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    The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag

    Then why even look at my post?
    So what
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    So what
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag View Post
    Pretty much what the title says.

    I managed to stockpile some DMAA but i want to experiment with some alternatives though for when the enivitable comes!!

    Thanks.
    there is nothing that is going to replace it that will give you the same effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    there is nothing that is going to replace it that will give you the same effect
    I will mourn its passing when and if it goes. Outside caffeine it is the only stim I can tolerate, everything else makes me jittery makes my stomach hurt and crushes my libido. ....I guess if it goes I'll just start drinking JFK's before my workouts.....What's a JFK??? Its a triple shot latte'
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    DMAA rocks!
    What he said
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I will mourn its passing when and if it goes. Outside caffeine it is the only stim I can tolerate, everything else makes me jittery makes my stomach hurt and crushes my libido. ....I guess if it goes I'll just start drinking JFK's before my workouts.....What's a JFK??? Its a triple shot latte'
    I love DMAA and am gonna miss the hell out of it, but it crushed my libido in a bad way. That was the only unwanted side-effect I ever got from it though. Again, I am gonna miss it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag View Post
    Pretty much what the title says.

    I managed to stockpile some DMAA but i want to experiment with some alternatives though for when the enivitable comes!!

    Thanks.
    I guess it depends on how old you are... If you weren't around for the golden years in the supplement industry when every fat burner was Ephedra based you could always build your own ECA stack. 25mg Ephedrine 2-3x a day, 200mg caffeine 2-3x a day (though I never used that much) and Asprin 2-3x a day (I forget how much) taken all together. It depends, too, if you live in a state where you don't need a prescription for pure Ephedrine tablets. Here in Missouri they've been trying to get a law passed for a few years now that would make any OTC Ephedrine or Psuedoephedrine medications prescription only (meth labs are a BIG problem in Missouri) and I know some other states have passed similar laws. If you live in a state that doesn't have such restrictions just go to the counter at the pharmacy (they'll probably want your I.D. to track your Ephedrine purchases) and ask for a box. I used to get Primatine 25mg tablets and they worked well.
    If Ephedrine isn't your thing then, well, good luck. I can't think of anything else that's going to come close to matching DMAA's effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Yes it is

    Where is it going?. I have not heard or read about anything strictly stating that it is/was going to be banned. I have just read that some companies have received warning letters about products containing it. Also I'm continually seeing new products added to nutraplanet that have DMAA as an ingredient. So what did I miss?. Where is the announcement of a specific ban on DMAA?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Where is it going?. I have not heard or read about anything strictly stating that it is/was going to be banned. I have just read that some companies have received warning letters about products containing it. Also I'm continually seeing new products added to nutraplanet that have DMAA as an ingredient. So what did I miss?. Where is the announcement of a specific ban on DMAA?.

    I assume what he meant is that it is very likely it will eventually be banned from sale. Of course we knew that about ephedrine back in 2000 or so but it took years for anyhthing to happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Where is it going?. I have not heard or read about anything strictly stating that it is/was going to be banned. I have just read that some companies have received warning letters about products containing it. Also I'm continually seeing new products added to nutraplanet that have DMAA as an ingredient. So what did I miss?. Where is the announcement of a specific ban on DMAA?.
    Bans have always followed unheeded warning letters. And the companies that are currently making it available (and not learning from the letters sent to other companies) are only providing fuel for the fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I will mourn its passing when and if it goes. Outside caffeine it is the only stim I can tolerate, everything else makes me jittery makes my stomach hurt and crushes my libido. ....I guess if it goes I'll just start drinking JFK's before my workouts.....What's a JFK??? Its a triple shot latte'

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    I noticed that lot of companies have started to manufacture supplements that contain ephedra again, so maybe the FDA isn't really enforcing the ban heavily these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    I noticed that lot of companies have started to manufacture supplements that contain ephedra again, so maybe the FDA isn't really enforcing the ban heavily these days?
    I thought I remember a judge overturning the ban on ephedra several years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    I thought I remember a judge overturning the ban on ephedra several years ago.
    Yeah, I believe that was in 2005, although if I remember correctly, the ban was re-instated a month or two later by yet another judge following an appeal by the FDA (boo). So in other words and to provide a recap, it was banned, re-legalized, and then re-banned. But if you visit the websites of several online supplement shops (I can't post the links here, of course), you'll see that there's actually a substantial number of products being actively manufactured and sold which contain ephedra. I'm crossing my fingers for a tasty ephedra-based PWO, myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    Yeah, I believe that was in 2005, although if I remember correctly, the ban was re-instated a month or two later by yet another judge following an appeal by the FDA (boo). So in other words and to provide a recap, it was banned, re-legalized, and then re-banned. But if you visit the websites of several online supplement shops (I can't post the links here, of course), you'll see that there's actually a substantial number of products being actively manufactured and sold which contain ephedra. I'm crossing my fingers for a tasty ephedra-based PWO, myself.
    I believe all these new "ephedra" supps don't actually contain any ephedrine, they are from some other part of the plant or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Probably more dangerous than anything mentioned in this thread. Wouldn't touch it
    seen its bad side in action with my girlfriend's son. Overly and indiscriminately prescribed
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    seen its bad side in action with my girlfriend's son. Overly and indiscriminately prescribed
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs
    We now have our latest product in stock, Pyro Rx with Geranimol ~ http://www.****************/product-list/pyro-rx/
    Doesn't this have DMAA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Doesn't this have DMAA?
    yes sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    We now have our latest product in stock, Pyro Rx with Geranimol ~ http://www.****************/product-list/pyro-rx/
    Yohimbe and DMAA, sh*ts intense haha
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    The bottom line is anybody can market and sell an "Ephedra" based product.... It just can't contain Ephedrine alkaloids. So all of these fat burners that have "Ephedra Leaf" and "Ephedra Extract" are just a bunch of shadily marketd bullcrap. If any of them do happen to contain Ephedrine alkaloids they're really asking for trouble from the feds IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs
    We now have our latest product in stock, Pyro Rx with Geranimol ~ ]
    Would you mind posting the actual ingredient dosages here? I know the FDA allows you to refer to a "proprietary blend", but it is really a cop out to those who read this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisher55 View Post
    Would you mind posting the actual ingredient dosages here? I know the FDA allows you to refer to a "proprietary blend", but it is really a cop out to those who read this forum.
    this isn't really the place to do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaa View Post
    I read all the threads and no one talk about dmaa replacement, very disappointed about that.
    Here I recommend some ingredients:
    1.dendrobium extract
    2.higenamine hcl
    3.hordenine hcl
    4.Caffeine
    5.Citrus Aurantium, or bitter orange (synephrine)
    6.Phenylethylamine
    7.N-methyltyramine(Methyltyramine, N-methyltyramine, or NMT)
    8. Theobromine
    9. N-Acetyl Tyrosine
    10.DMAE

    dendrobium extract 1% and higenamine hcl are the most popular ones recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaa View Post
    I read all the threads and no one talk about dmaa replacement, very disappointed about that.
    Here I recommend some ingredients:
    1.dendrobium extract
    2.higenamine hcl
    3.hordenine hcl
    4.Caffeine
    5.Citrus Aurantium, or bitter orange (synephrine)
    6.Phenylethylamine
    7.N-methyltyramine(Methyltyramine, N-methyltyramine, or NMT)
    8. Theobromine
    9. N-Acetyl Tyrosine
    10.DMAE

    dendrobium extract 1% and higenamine hcl are the most popular ones recently.

    first of all, caffeine is not a replacement since all DMAA products are stacked with caffeine.

    Second of all, none of these ingredients do anything close to what DMAA does. some do have stim action but to match DMAA is just too tall an order for these.
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    Phosphatidic acid is not a stimulant and higenamine, like any stimulant, can be toxic at the right dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaa View Post
    By the way, could you common on higenamine hcl? Some said it is toxic, is it true?
    What a coincidence that you are asking about Higenamine, we are right now discussing this substance in one of the Swedish boards.

    Recently I found an interesting molecular property predictor which gives you 5 free predictions as a guest and if you register (for free) another 30 predictions, each month*. There are some interesting predictions under Toxicity and ADME.

    It appears that Higenamine have not so good bioavailability and at least in rats according to the study** it is metabolized to coclaurine and isococlaurine.

    If you do not want to draw the molecules yourself, you can copy following SMILES descriptors instead, by clicking on the smile symbol in the application.
    Higenamine: Oc1ccc(cc1)CC2NCCc3cc(O)c(O)cc 23
    Coclaurine: Oc1ccc(cc1)CC2NCCc3cc(OC)c(O)c c23

    It appears that both Higenamine and its metabolite Coclaurine are predicted as weak binding to Estrogen Receptor alpha (LogRBA between -3 and 0). Under Toxicity/Endocrine Disruption.

    A question to Patrick (and others): How useful would you say are such a molecular prediction property tools? Have you used them yourself sometimes?

    Due to the rules I cannot post links directly therefore you have to google it yourselfs.
    *The predictor name is ACD/I-Lab.
    **The title of the article is Identification of higenamine and its metabolites in rat by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry.

    EDIT: Somehow, there is introduced a gap in the end of SMILES, however when I try to correct it, the gap is nonexistent in the editing text. Therefore if you copy the SMILES, erase the gaps before use in the prediction tool.
  

  
 

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