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    xenoandrogens


    was curious about these compounds, i think i may have seen you talk about it before, but im not sure, i cant find it.

    are these actual performance enhancers?

    if so, do the come close to the same level as androgenic/anabolic steroids, as far as you can tell?

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    First time I've heard of this. Modified tocopherols and nicatinamides...interesting
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    i had heard of toxic xenoestrogens before, but this is new to me as well. in for PA info
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldymcgee
    i had heard of toxic xenoestrogens before, but this is new to me as well. in for PA info
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    Will the real patrick arnold please stand up and share your vast wisdom on things mere mortals can only dream of knowing...

    (well on monday, when your back to work.)
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    interested in learning about this
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    Maybe you guys have seen it, or not. A certain bodybuilding coach who calls himself mike is posting on a site about them. He already says in his experience they are not really of the same potency or effect of actual AAS. And you most likely won't see effects or gains anywhere near as quick, but there can also be no side-effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic View Post
    What xenoandrogen(s) has he taken?
    MegaGear names them things Danabol and others, but they don't list the actual compound name or anything. So...it's hard to tell which xenoandrogen is which product. Like others have said it's shady they simply list "active ingredient" but at the same time, if they wanted to dodge something they could simply list a xenoandrogen and simply not put anything in there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by daAMx View Post
    Wait wait, Xenoandrogens ? Phytoandrogens ? Pine Pollen is a phytoandrogen as is tinaspora cordifolia (natadrol).
    Tocopherols and nicatinamides are the xenoandrogens most are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic View Post
    WOW.

    It looks like these ****s infiltrated Wikipedia, made up scientific references and even registred a fake endocrinology journal website.

    These 'studies'* about modified tocopherols/tocotrienols linked on Wikipedia and the fake endocrinology journal website (http://ej-endocrinology.org/) can not be found in their respective journals. All the 'info' on that fake EJ site is c/p from other sources, except the info about xenoandrogens. So it looks like modified tocopherols/tocotrienols usage as xenoandrogens is a marketing hype made up some East-European criminals.


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    1. Mori****a, I; Okubo, K; Mizuno, Y; Sawada, M (2008). "Stimulation of androgenic receptors and protein synthesis by altered all-rac-alpha-tocopheryl acetate in mammals". Journal of Steroids and Hormone Science. doi:10.4172/2157-7536.1330104.
    2. ^ Gerber, W L; Dias, S; Warsawski, D; Williams, J. Androgenic and anabolic effects of gamma-tocopherol and alpha-tocopherol modifications on rats. Princeton Scientific Pub. Co.. pp. 9–13. [year missing]
    3. ^ Bauer, V; Smolensky, B; Bartosova, K; Smid, T (2010). "Use of xenoandrogens (altered tocopheryl acetate) in patients with testosterone deficiency". Hormone and Metabolic Research 31.

    Good find. I mentioned in another post I think that it would def be worthwhile in my opinion if I were to get get the stuff to definitely see if I could get it analyzed first. It is pretty weird that the blog some guy claims to run and not have any connection to any companies has his site linked by the place that sells them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldymcgee View Post
    i had heard of toxic xenoestrogens before, but this is new to me as well. in for PA info

    my scam radar went up right away when i started reading some of this "science"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    my scam radar went up right away when i started reading some of this "science"
    So xenoandrogens are probably a waste of money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    my scam radar went up right away when i started reading some of this "science"
    That's really what I wanted to hear. Either that or "I've already been looking into these myself, and I'm releasing them soon"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    So xenoandrogens are probably a waste of money?
    it appears that these things were made up

    the word xenoandrogens still means something....as a word
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    it appears that these things were made up

    the word xenoandrogens still means something....as a word
    Well they still exist right? Just...not the stuff that one site was claiming to sell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RD929 View Post
    Well they still exist right? Just...not the stuff that one site was claiming to sell?
    androgenic anabolic steroids could be considered xenoandrogens i guess. i think the term was kinda made up but it would mean "alien" or "not natural" androgens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    androgenic anabolic steroids could be considered xenoandrogens i guess. i think the term was kinda made up but it would mean "alien" or "not natural" androgens
    Which would mean illegal as a supplement, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Which would mean illegal as a supplement, right?

    since supplements are supposed to be natural, and "xeno" means "not natural", then your assumption seems correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    androgenic anabolic steroids could be considered xenoandrogens i guess. i think the term was kinda made up but it would mean "alien" or "not natural" androgens
    Ah. Boo. Just trademark the term for your products.






    Actually wait don't. That was a stupid idea.
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    Now if only we could find a way to design a drink container material that would leech xenoandrogens into the product instead of xenoestrogens.

    All the good bros would have Ballgene bottles on their 10 speeds and sip Test Mountain all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RD929 View Post
    Ah. Boo. Just trademark the term for your products.




    Actually wait don't. That was a stupid idea.


    its probably too descriptive a word to trademark. that is, more of a science word
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutztenways View Post
    Now if only we could find a way to design a drink container material that would leech xenoandrogens into the product instead of xenoestrogens.

    All the good bros would have Ballgene bottles on their 10 speeds and sip Test Mountain all day.

    there are so many estrogens out there because anything with a phenolic group on it will have some affinity for the ER. androgens OTOH have no unique functional group like that which bind well to the AR and are somewhat ubiquitous in nature and in soime synthetic materials
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    there are so many estrogens out there because anything with a phenolic group on it will have some affinity for the ER. androgens OTOH have no unique functional group like that which bind well to the AR and are somewhat ubiquitous in nature and in soime synthetic materials
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Gay
    God planned it that way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    God planned it that way
    Lol! Don't start that ish again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    its probably too descriptive a word to trademark. that is, more of a science word
    Weve all seen worse. That and you'd have some visitors again going all rabble rabble dey took our jobs!


    Quote Originally Posted by Lutztenways View Post
    Now if only we could find a way to design a drink container material that would leech xenoandrogens into the product instead of xenoestrogens.

    All the good bros would have Ballgene bottles on their 10 speeds and sip Test Mountain all day.

    SSE supplements uncapped in water. You're welcome.























    Not serious.
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    well, thats disapointing
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    I know it sounds crazy and would definitely be an ill-advised decision, but I think I would actually be willing to log one of these "xenoandrogens" if these Mega Gear goofballs sent them to me for free. I know they're probably a bunch of crap, but there is still that ever-remote possibility that they actually work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider
    I know it sounds crazy and would definitely be an ill-advised decision, but I think I would actually be willing to log one of these "xenoandrogens" if these Mega Gear goofballs sent them to me for free. I know they're probably a bunch of crap, but there is still that ever-remote possibility that they actually work...
    No dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    No dude
    Hey, you never know... maybe it works for a non-alpha, LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider

    Hey, you never know... maybe it works for a non-alpha, LOL
    Lol jack wagon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Lol jack wagon!
    Yeah, watch this stuff work like Superdrol and then... get ready for it... everyone will want to RIDE THE JACKWAGON!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    I know it sounds crazy and would definitely be an ill-advised decision, but I think I would actually be willing to log one of these "xenoandrogens" if these Mega Gear goofballs sent them to me for free. I know they're probably a bunch of crap, but there is still that ever-remote possibility that they actually work...
    Just buy it and bribe Patrick with enough beer and red velvet cupcakes to test it.
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    Or money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RD929 View Post
    Just buy it and bribe Patrick with enough beer and red velvet cupcakes to test it.
    Beer and red velvet cupcakes, eh?

    I knew it had to be something like that when he said he didn't want the nudes...
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