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    how effective can a sarm be and how long would u take it?

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    I have used ostarine I find it fairly effective at increasing energy, building muscle, cutting fat and maintiang strength. It is also very nice for your joints. I would take it 6 to 7 weeks (and run an otc pct). Don't think it's actually as effective as test (even though it may be refered to as a test substitute) but a lot of people run it at low doses during pct to help keep gains. Suming up, Decent bulker probably best used as recomp effective at cutting allows you to maintain strength and mass while burning fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FubarFit View Post
    I have used ostarine I find it fairly effective at increasing energy, building muscle, cutting fat and maintiang strength. It is also very nice for your joints. I would take it 6 to 7 weeks (and run an otc pct). Don't think it's actually as effective as test (even though it may be refered to as a test substitute) but a lot of people run it at low doses during pct to help keep gains. Suming up, Decent bulker probably best used as recomp effective at cutting allows you to maintain strength and mass while burning fat.

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    I used Mk2866 which is believe is ostarine, takes around 2-3 weeks to kick in, so running it 6-8 weeks is the best for it like Fubar said. I found it awesome for recomping with my body. I was eating well under maintenance and stayed the same weight as well as put on around 2-3 pounds. Signs of it working are just an insane increase in thirst for me, plus being a little bit warmer and sweating. I never really logged it in depth but as recently taking it I was able to continue my strength increases while being in deficit, now I'm on natty test boosters and have added 7 pounds *not sure where they came from* and still increasing strength every workout while still in deficit. In all though, if you can afford it, which I think it's cheaper now than when I got it plus there is the OstaRX out now which is like half the price I paid for mine I say run it if your looking to recomp. I'd consider it a great recomp agent, being able to keep size and strength while losing BF%
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    Thanks very much guys for info
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    Interested in this topic, been looking at Ostarine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProteinMurder View Post
    Interested in this topic, been looking at Ostarine...
    any good threads anyone recommends looking at prior to using SARMs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by willib View Post
    how effective can a sarm be and how long would u take it?

    think of them like primo, winny, anavar type drugs. if you arent familiar with these drugs and how they are used then you shouldnt be in advanced discussion section
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    Quote Originally Posted by FubarFit View Post
    I have used ostarine I find it fairly effective at increasing energy, building muscle, cutting fat and maintiang strength. It is also very nice for your joints. I would take it 6 to 7 weeks (and run an otc pct). Don't think it's actually as effective as test (even though it may be refered to as a test substitute) but a lot of people run it at low doses during pct to help keep gains. .
    thats not a pct. thats an extension of your cycle. these are androgens
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Thanks Pat.
    ??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    ??????
    I believe this was in response to the bro attempting to drop knowledge like he were you
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    I was thinking of running the DecaSARM with Arom-x for 6-8 weeks for a good recomp...Lean gain thrown in with the +20/-20% kcals on w.o and rest days...and some good powerlifting plan for a noob such as me , kinda like 5x5 , 5/3/1 or starting strength! , thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    I was thinking of running the DecaSARM with Arom-x for 6-8 weeks for a good recomp...Lean gain thrown in with the +20/-20% kcals on w.o and rest days...and some good powerlifting plan for a noob such as me , kinda like 5x5 , 5/3/1 or starting strength! , thoughts?
    the decasarm product looks like a prohormone with some narignenin (a flavonoid from grapefruit)


    Its not a SARM if your definition of SARM means non-steroidal. Other than that though it could be considered a SARM in the broad definition
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    Mr Sarcasm missed the subtle sacracsm? Your slippin bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the decasarm product looks like a prohormone with some narignenin (a flavonoid from grapefruit)


    Its not a SARM if your definition of SARM means non-steroidal. Other than that though it could be considered a SARM in the broad definition
    Oh I thought it was non steroidal...oO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Oh I thought it was non steroidal...oO

    everything in the ad for it is 100 percent accurate
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    kill me now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    kill me now
    Why do I always perceive you as an angry or really sarcastic dude ^^'!!?? Hehe...though I love the info u give nonetheless xD
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    there's a really big thread (80 pages) on this in Pat's section over at the PHForums. Idk if I'm allowed to link there or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Why do I always perceive you as an angry or really sarcastic dude ^^'!!?? Hehe...though I love the info u give nonetheless xD
    its the people that act all nice that you have to worry about. i just kid around
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydollars View Post
    I believe this was in response to the bro attempting to drop knowledge like he were you

    Riiight my bad guys I might need to look more into all this myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    thats not a pct. thats an extension of your cycle. these are androgens
    Do you mean you don't need a pct? I decided to use daa and atd since I heard ostarine can lower t and raise e.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone

    Thanks Pat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    its the people that act all nice that you have to worry about. i just kid around
    Ha ha, yes, I need to put that in my signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    its the people that act all nice that you have to worry about. i just kid around
    Haha true! I'm mainly humble here ;p and try to learn as much as I can , i'm new to this , hence I ask and research , so as to not get smacked all the time xD!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FubarFit View Post
    Do you mean you don't need a pct? I decided to use daa and atd since I heard ostarine can lower t and raise e.
    u may wanna do a pct after ostarine, especially if you are planning on taking larger dosages and/or longer duration
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Haha true! I'm mainly humble here ;p and try to learn as much as I can , i'm new to this , hence I ask and research , so as to not get smacked all the time xD!!
    i have been doing the fitness bb'ing interweb message board thing since 1996 so i pretty much am a top dog
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    Hahaahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have been doing the fitness bb'ing interweb message board thing since 1996 so i pretty much am a top dog
    I'm kinda new to BB'ing , started almost a year ago , past july , and well loving it , used to be a fat 180lb kid , 5'5" and 30% bf or so haha...changed a lot , and if u got good advice for a good bulk for this little pup I would appreciate it ;p!! i dont wanna be fat kid anymore :3!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    i have been doing the fitness bb'ing interweb message board thing since 1996 so i pretty much am a top dog
    Are you related to arnold schwartzawhathisnamer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    I'm kinda new to BB'ing , started almost a year ago , past july , and well loving it , used to be a fat 180lb kid , 5'5" and 30% bf or so haha...changed a lot , and if u got good advice for a good bulk for this little pup I would appreciate it ;p!! i dont wanna be fat kid anymore :3!!!
    What? This isn't pats corner, or training advice from pa, its advanced discussion.

    Read a book, lots of info in them things I here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    thats not a pct. thats an extension of your cycle. these are androgens
    you're saying that MK-2866 (Ostarine) is an androgen and cannot be used with PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    you're saying that MK-2866 (Ostarine) is an androgen and cannot be used with PCT?

    the word androgen is sometimes thrown around in the medical literature when referring to AAS and i think it can just as well be thrown around with SARMs. Androgens are male sex hormones and ostarine is a synthetic analog of male sex hormones


    basically u wouldnt consider anavar part of a PCT because its an AAS. Ostarine is (pharmacologically if not chemically) an AAS
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    At the end of the day, people can label "sarms" as they please (steroids, sarms, androgens, non-androgenic substances). The fact is that some people are getting shut down from Ostarine. This substantiates your position that these are androgenic enough to adversely impact the HPTA and caution needs to be taken with use (w/ respect to hpta).


    Perhaps also relevant is that many forget the studies done on sarms were on doses that pale in comparison to the doses we bb'ers are using.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the word androgen is sometimes thrown around in the medical literature when referring to AAS and i think it can just as well be thrown around with SARMs. Androgens are male sex hormones and ostarine is a synthetic analog of male sex hormones


    basically u wouldnt consider anavar part of a PCT because its an AAS. Ostarine is (pharmacologically if not chemically) an AAS
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagLabs View Post
    you're saying that MK-2866 (Ostarine) is an androgen and cannot be used with PCT?
    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the word androgen is sometimes thrown around in the medical literature when referring to AAS and i think it can just as well be thrown around with SARMs. Androgens are male sex hormones and ostarine is a synthetic analog of male sex hormones

    basically u wouldnt consider anavar part of a PCT because its an AAS. Ostarine is (pharmacologically if not chemically) an AAS
    I agree with Pat and it actually works both ways. Some AAS are actually being classified as SARMS now.

    17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.

    Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5α-reduction to form more potent androgens. We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations. Male F344 rats aged 3 mo underwent orchiectomy or remained intact and were administered graded doses of TREN, supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate, or vehicle for 29 days. In both intact and orchiectomized animals, all TREN doses and supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate augmented androgen-sensitive levator ani/bulbocavernosus muscle mass by 35-40% above shams (P ≤ 0.001) and produced a dose-dependent partial protection against orchiectomy-induced total and trabecular bone mineral density losses (P < 0.05) and visceral fat accumulation (P < 0.05). The lowest doses of TREN successfully maintained prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations at sham levels in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate and high-dose TREN elevated prostate mass by 84 and 68%, respectively (P < 0.01). In summary, low-dose administration of the non-5α-reducible androgen TREN maintains prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations near the level of shams while producing potent myotrophic actions in skeletal muscle and partial protection against orchiectomy-induced bone loss and visceral fat accumulation. Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.

    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/300/4/E650.long
    What I find interesting is this new category of SARMS may allow for some AAS to be redefined and thus allow for more research to be done with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u may wanna do a pct after ostarine, especially if you are planning on taking larger dosages and/or longer duration
    Can a SARM such as ostarine(or other SARM's) be taken(stacked) during a oral PH/DS cycle? (A PH/DS such as Epi or SD)

    Or is a SARM to be taken only solo or along with a PCT after a oral PH/DS cycle?
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    Does Ostarine in any way interfere/magnify with presciption meds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by middleageguy View Post
    Can a SARM such as ostarine(or other SARM's) be taken(stacked) during a oral PH/DS cycle? (A PH/DS such as Epi or SD)

    Or is a SARM to be taken only solo or along with a PCT after a oral PH/DS cycle?
    you can take it any way you want. just use it like you would an anavar or primobolan
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProteinMurder View Post
    Does Ostarine in any way interfere/magnify with presciption meds?

    until ostarine gets approved by the FDA i dont think the company that is developing it willl be releasing any drug interaction data they may be privy to


    ostarine you get on the internet is not meant for human consumption of course
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