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    Stopping fat burners after 4 years, mentally unprepared, worried


    So tomorrow marks the scheduled Start of my 2 month stimulant free run. I have been looking forward to it, but now that it's here, I'm extremely anxious n nervous, to the point I'm losing sleep typing this n have to be up in 5 hours.

    Thanks in advance to anyone who reads thi whole thing and replies...

    Background:
    - I am 23, 5'7 160-162
    - I have been maintaining this weight since last June by doing 4-5 days of cardio (3 hiit, 2 low intensity) n eating low carb.
    - I have been taking two fat burners stacked for the past year, year n a half and at least one fat burner for the past 3-4 years with no breaks. Yes. No breaks, not one day. Stacks have included thyroid supps, stims, heavy caffeine, n ephedra, beta 2's, everything...
    - I am stopping oxy elite (3/day) and shift (3/day)
    - for my non stim run this month, I am going to take: revamp, rk500(3/day), tta500(2/day), acety l carn+cla blend (1600mg alc+2400mg cla), and abdominal cuts which is an efa blend with some fucoxanathan, lipotrophin pm (2/night)
    - I am also on prometheus rising and primal male stack, anabolic pump (just finished nedd2slin), I take b complex and multi, d3, and calc+magnesium supp, and L tyrosine+Sam e+5 htp (anti depressant replacement)
    - I am a recovered anorexic with severe hatred and fear of getting/being fat. My mood is valued on if I am content with my body or not. I am stopping these stims for two months bc I have been on for so long and want to try and show myself I don't need them to stay lean, I would also like to put on some mass. I'm not afraid of gaining weight, just fat.
    - I'm really just not prepared to do this, but I have no stims on hand, and my gf is keeping me in check so I don't buy any and follow thru with this plan.
    -I also have a one week lay off planned in mid feb once I am uses to being off the stims bc I have not taken more than 2 days off in a row in over a year from training... Probably wasn't the best plan to take a layoff while not on stims
    -I'm trying to rationalize that I am still taking fat burners with the rk,tta, cla, and an cuts, plus the prom/primal stack and ap... Everything LOOKS good in theory, but I gain fat SO easy, I'm just really nervous.
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    dont worry too much, a lot of what you will gain back is the water from your body being dehydrated. I know where you're coming from. I've never been THAT lean, but I used to be REALLY fat. I have a fat pic in my wallet I carry around to remind me not to over eat etc. I used to take a fat burner year round as well. Justified it as my morning cup of coffee. Your "off" time stack looks good. You should stay lean. Ever though about building some muscle? Or you just rather be lean?
    For me I workout so I can eat more... haha. So while I maintain lean I can eat a lot more than most people. That was my original goal. And still is my long term goal (build as much muscle as possible to stave off aging, and remain strong for as long as I can, and be able to enjoy eating a lot of food).


    Regardless, if nothing I said helps you even a little, good luck friend.

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    Def helps, mattrag. That's what I do. I love to eat, used to be fat n never worked out. Now I eat huge n workout hard but still don't seem to gain. I'd love to be big AND lean, but when it wasn't happening, I just focused on staying lean. Now I'm kinda torn... N here we are! I just don't know how in gonna function without caffeine n those crazy pharmaceutical stimulants flowing thru my veins!
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    I am too like you ched...
    Ur not alone man!!!

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    You may have some adrenal shutdown and be very lethargic.

    Some people get withdrawals from caffeine.

    In the long run, your doing your body a huge favor. You can do it
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    A good ginseng supp and some Reset AD will likely help you get your adrenals through the worst of the withdrawals.
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    THIS!

    I hate to admit it but I have been on some sort of stim for 10 years

    I rarely take a day off from the stims and when I do, I sip on coffee all day.

    I think my only saving grace is that I limit my intake to ONE serving in the AM to get thru my w/o and that's it!

    Believe it or not, I still get a kick after all these years.

    I also take Re-Set AD (Revamp) DAILY and non stop as well (for 3-4 years straight but only at ONE Cap per day).

    I just cannot seem to get off the stims - I wish I had never started !!!

    I'll quit "tomorrow or one of these days" (says the junkie to himself)

    I would recommend ANY young bb'er to stay the heck off this crap.

    Who the heck knows what this crasp is doing to me internally. I'm like the idiot addicted cigarette smoker, going outside in a blizzard to get his fix b/c he has no control. I used to see these people and think "are they retarded?!?! Cant they just quit". Joke's on ME now.

    Good luck buddy - you're making a wide decision.


    Quote Originally Posted by ka0tik View Post
    You may have some adrenal shutdown and be very lethargic.

    Some people get withdrawals from caffeine.

    In the long run, your doing your body a huge favor. You can do it
    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    A good ginseng supp and some Reset AD will likely help you get your adrenals through the worst of the withdrawals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    THIS!

    I hate to admit it but I have been on some sort of stim for 10 years

    I rarely take a day off from the stims and when I do, I sip on coffee all day.

    I think my only saving grace is that I limit my intake to ONE serving in the AM to get thru my w/o and that's it!

    Believe it or not, I still get a kick after all these years.

    I also take Re-Set AD (Revamp) DAILY and non stop as well (for 3-4 years straight but only at ONE Cap per day).

    I just cannot seem to get off the stims - I wish I had never started !!!

    I'll quit "tomorrow or one of these days" (says the junkie to himself)

    I would recommend ANY young bb'er to stay the heck off this crap.

    Who the heck knows what this crasp is doing to me internally. I'm like the idiot addicted cigarette smoker, going outside in a blizzard to get his fix b/c he has no control. I used to see these people and think "are they retarded?!?! Cant they just quit". Joke's on ME now.

    Good luck buddy - you're making a wide decision.
    Dude I lasted 3/4 of a day before the headaches n fogginess was too much.. Back on , but much lower doses.. Also using revamp and had blood work done, results tomorrow
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    I just decided to go off stims yesterday! I've only been taking them for about 5 months but I'm also nervous. I feel like my workouts wont be as intense. I am taking agmatine now though which helps a lot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISU152 View Post
    I just decided to go off stims yesterday! I've only been taking them for about 5 months but I'm also nervous. I feel like my workouts wont be as intense. I am taking agmatine now though which helps a lot!
    They won't be. Thats just ONE part of the addiction. Psychological!


    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Dude I lasted 3/4 of a day before the headaches n fogginess was too much.. Back on , but much lower doses.. Also using revamp and had blood work done, results tomorrow
    Sorry man. I feel ya! The appetitie comes back HUGE-time for me in addition to the feeling like utter garbage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    They won't be. Thats just ONE part of the addiction. Psychological!
    yeah i know. Im tryin different things though, agmatine, new music, **** like that
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    Whatever it takes buddy! Good luck!
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    Not so much of a stim pill junkie, but if the world's coffee supplies go away due to global warming...you will all have bigger things to worry about than famine and drought because I will be a raging maniac, lol.

    I sympathize with all of your withdrawal issues. I know they suck...especially the headaches.
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    lololol

    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Not so much of a stim pill junkie, but if the world's coffee supplies go away due to global warming...you will all have bigger things to worry about than famine and drought because I will be a raging maniac
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Not so much of a stim pill junkie, but if the world's coffee supplies go away due to global warming...you will all have bigger things to worry about than famine and drought because I will be a raging maniac, lol.
    This had me ROFL!
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    I too have been on stims for about 10 years. I take some sort of stim to get me going every morning. Due to my job and school, I get 5 hrs max sleep a night and without the stims I couldn't function. I wish I hadn't started. I only take in the morning. I do however take some sort of preworkout powder before training. I definately feel like an addict. I don't drink or do any other drugs, so I guess stims are my drug of choice. Igive huge props to anyone who can get off the stim train.

    QUOTE=Whacked;3221093]THIS!

    I hate to admit it but I have been on some sort of stim for 10 years

    I rarely take a day off from the stims and when I do, I sip on coffee all day.

    I think my only saving grace is that I limit my intake to ONE serving in the AM to get thru my w/o and that's it!

    Believe it or not, I still get a kick after all these years.

    I also take Re-Set AD (Revamp) DAILY and non stop as well (for 3-4 years straight but only at ONE Cap per day).

    I just cannot seem to get off the stims - I wish I had never started !!!

    I'll quit "tomorrow or one of these days" (says the junkie to himself)

    I would recommend ANY young bb'er to stay the heck off this crap.

    Who the heck knows what this crasp is doing to me internally. I'm like the idiot addicted cigarette smoker, going outside in a blizzard to get his fix b/c he has no control. I used to see these people and think "are they retarded?!?! Cant they just quit". Joke's on ME now.

    Good luck buddy - you're making a wide decision.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by sly
    I too have been on stims for about 10 years. I take some sort of stim to get me going every morning. Due to my job and school, I get 5 hrs max sleep a night and without the stims I couldn't function. I wish I hadn't started. I only take in the morning. I do however take some sort of preworkout powder before training. I definately feel like an addict. I don't drink or do any other drugs, so I guess stims are my drug of choice. Igive huge props to anyone who can get off the stim train.

    QUOTE=Whacked;3221093]THIS!

    I hate to admit it but I have been on some sort of stim for 10 years

    I rarely take a day off from the stims and when I do, I sip on coffee all day.

    I think my only saving grace is that I limit my intake to ONE serving in the AM to get thru my w/o and that's it!

    Believe it or not, I still get a kick after all these years.

    I also take Re-Set AD (Revamp) DAILY and non stop as well (for 3-4 years straight but only at ONE Cap per day).

    I just cannot seem to get off the stims - I wish I had never started !!!

    I'll quit "tomorrow or one of these days" (says the junkie to himself)

    I would recommend ANY young bb'er to stay the heck off this crap.

    Who the heck knows what this crasp is doing to me internally. I'm like the idiot addicted cigarette smoker, going outside in a blizzard to get his fix b/c he has no control. I used to see these people and think "are they retarded?!?! Cant they just quit". Joke's on ME now.

    Good luck buddy - you're making a wide decision.
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    I use to use stims everyday. Now I just use whatever im in the mood for before I train, sometimes this is nothing if im just in the zone. Also I sometimes use them if I didnt sleep well. What helped me was switching from night workouts to morning/afternoon so I could reduce my dose to just once a day. then I started using alcar on my off days instead of stims. and now I dont need them at all. I use them bc I like to not bc I need to.
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    Nail on head brudah and I feel all ur pain

    Same here

    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    I too have been on stims for about 10 years. I take some sort of stim to get me going every morning. Due to my job and school, I get 5 hrs max sleep a night and without the stims I couldn't function. I wish I hadn't started. I only take in the morning. I do however take some sort of preworkout powder before training. I definately feel like an addict. I don't drink or do any other drugs, so I guess stims are my drug of choice. Igive huge props to anyone who can get off the stim train.

    QUOTE=Whacked;3221093]THIS!

    I hate to admit it but I have been on some sort of stim for 10 years

    I rarely take a day off from the stims and when I do, I sip on coffee all day.

    I think my only saving grace is that I limit my intake to ONE serving in the AM to get thru my w/o and that's it!

    Believe it or not, I still get a kick after all these years.

    I also take Re-Set AD (Revamp) DAILY and non stop as well (for 3-4 years straight but only at ONE Cap per day).

    I just cannot seem to get off the stims - I wish I had never started !!!

    I'll quit "tomorrow or one of these days" (says the junkie to himself)

    I would recommend ANY young bb'er to stay the heck off this crap.

    Who the heck knows what this crasp is doing to me internally. I'm like the idiot addicted cigarette smoker, going outside in a blizzard to get his fix b/c he has no control. I used to see these people and think "are they retarded?!?! Cant they just quit". Joke's on ME now.

    Good luck buddy - you're making a wide decision.
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    Atta boy!

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    Smart approach!

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    I use to use stims everyday. Now I just use whatever im in the mood for before I train, sometimes this is nothing if im just in the zone. Also I sometimes use them if I didnt sleep well. What helped me was switching from night workouts to morning/afternoon so I could reduce my dose to just once a day. then I started using alcar on my off days instead of stims. and now I dont need them at all. I use them bc I like to not bc I need to.
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    2 weeks sober actually. It gives a buzz. I'm looking for non stim pumps...
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    Dude, I am a former fat boy and took EC for almost 2 years without stopping. I was worried about rebound weight gain etc. I just stopped, it wasn't a big deal. Nothing happened, I was fine. I didn't even regain any weight. I bet you will be the same way.

    Most of that stuff doesn't work anyways. For the stuff that does, the effect is so small that you have to be pretty shredded to even notice.

    The hardest part will be psychological.

    If I were you, I would stop, not buy any more non-stim fat burners and use that money to hire a nutrition coach (someone who knows what PubMed is i.e. Alan Aragon, not some bro from your gym.) Your results will be much better, i promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adnscmplx
    Dude, I am a former fat boy and took EC for almost 2 years without stopping. I was worried about rebound weight gain etc. I just stopped, it wasn't a big deal. Nothing happened, I was fine. I didn't even regain any weight. I bet you will be the same way.

    Most of that stuff doesn't work anyways. For the stuff that does, the effect is so small that you have to be pretty shredded to even notice.

    The hardest part will be psychological.

    If I were you, I would stop, not buy any more non-stim fat burners and use that money to hire a nutrition coach (someone who knows what PubMed is i.e. Alan Aragon, not some bro from your gym.) Your results will be much better, i promise.
    I'm after a pump product that is all. Now I'm doing harder weight sessions,I feel my muscle swell. Something to allow my body to open up and allow more flow through.
    I'm not worried about stims now. Like me some BCAAs beta alanine and erase, drive and Cordygen. Bullet proof to boost test
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    Agmatine and/or N02 products and/or Carbs pre-w/o and/or glycerol/GMS

    To be honest, not sure how you got pumps from ANY stims b/c Stims do the complete opposte. They are vasoconstrictors NOT vasodilators

    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    I'm after a pump product that is all. Now I'm doing harder weight sessions,I feel my muscle swell. Something to allow my body to open up and allow more flow through.
    I'm not worried about stims now. Like me some BCAAs beta alanine and erase, drive and Cordygen. Bullet proof to boost test
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    Fellas, Im 3 hours sober lolol

    First day I havent taken ANYTHING in 10 years

    This is gomnna be fun (NOT!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Agmatine and/or N02 products and/or Carbs pre-w/o and/or glycerol/GMS

    To be honest, not sure how you got pumps from ANY stims b/c Stims do the complete opposte. They are vasoconstrictors NOT vasodilators
    I am STIM FREE...2 weeks sober as of today. Want to know things to help with the pump?and caffeine at a dose that is ergogenic and will not constrict.will aid in endurance coupled with beta alanine
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    Congrats!

    Most of the studies I have seen that discuss caffeine being a beneficial aid with respect to performance were done at a dose of 200mg.

    Still though, caffeine by virtue of it being a stim, is a vasoconstrictor even at 1mg as well. I doubt you are going to get around this issue with any product as any type of CNS stim will cause constriction.

    For your low stim perfomance objective, I think caffeine at 200 mg 30 minutes pre-w/o should be your starting point then feel it out from there.

    Again, even 1mg of caffeine will constrict (albeit negligibly)



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    I am STIM FREE...2 weeks sober as of today. Want to know things to help with the pump?and caffeine at a dose that is ergogenic and will not constrict.will aid in endurance coupled with beta alanine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Congrats!

    Most of the studies I have seen that discuss caffeine being a beneficial aid with respect to performance were done at a dose of 200mg.

    Still though, caffeine by virtue of it being a stim, is a vasoconstrictor even at 1mg as well. I doubt you are going to get around this issue with any product as any type of CNS stim will cause constriction.

    For your low stim perfomance objective, I think caffeine at 200 mg 30 minutes pre-w/o should be your starting point then feel it out from there.

    Again, even 1mg of caffeine will constrict (albeit negligibly)
    Cheers. I popped open a thread too so if u can help me there that would be awesome.
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    Fellas, Im 3 hours sober lolol

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    Been on Alcar for 5+ years



    I started taking Re-Set AD 3x/day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Been on Alcar for 5+ years



    I started taking Re-Set AD 3x/day

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    Damn, try sleeping more then haha
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    I know this isn't a drug help type of forum, but I can tell you that kicking stims will make you feel much better in the long run AND that certain obstacles can be overcome (such as PAWS or post acute withdrawal syndrome). You're brain returning to homeostasis can be a dark age if you don't have proper support from friends and family, keep your good habits intact, and take some natural remedies (ethnobotanicals work great) to keep these things in check. I've kicked about everything and am well versed with everything as far as the timeline of recovery to the things that can make your life a lot more manageable. Let me know via here or PM if you want to ask something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green
    I know this isn't a drug help type of forum, but I can tell you that kicking stims will make you feel much better in the long run AND that certain obstacles can be overcome (such as PAWS or post acute withdrawal syndrome). You're brain returning to homeostasis can be a dark age if you don't have proper support from friends and family, keep your good habits intact, and take some natural remedies (ethnobotanicals work great) to keep these things in check. I've kicked about everything and am well versed with everything as far as the timeline of recovery to the things that can make your life a lot more manageable. Let me know via here or PM if you want to ask something.
    Thanks. I feel like I just don't want to now, yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Thanks. I feel like I just don't want to now, yet
    I feel you. I was the same way with gear. I would read up on horror stories of people stopping long (2 yearish) cycles and I was worried I'd just shrink, etc. I kept getting it from SWIM (jk with the acronym) and kept pinning myself. I would procrastinate over and over and focus on the negatives. The truth is, you never know until you try. I am happier now being off everything and I am actually more chizzled than ever and still strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    I feel you. I was the same way with gear. I would read up on horror stories of people stopping long (2 yearish) cycles and I was worried I'd just shrink, etc. I kept getting it from SWIM (jk with the acronym) and kept pinning myself. I would procrastinate over and over and focus on the negatives. The truth is, you never know until you try. I am happier now being off everything and I am actually more chizzled than ever and still strong.

    The point is, if you don't just DO IT, tomorrow will never come.
    wow, so you were able to maintain most/all of your AAS gains even while off?

    I agree with your other post about the stims and supps in general. I take around 5 different supps a day, 10 if you include the multi's and everyday health type things.... It's a hell of a lot lol. I donno if I'd be able to live without them mentally.
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    Wow

    Nice post bro

    Thanks for the offer of support

    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    I know this isn't a drug help type of forum, but I can tell you that kicking stims will make you feel much better in the long run AND that certain obstacles can be overcome (such as PAWS or post acute withdrawal syndrome). You're brain returning to homeostasis can be a dark age if you don't have proper support from friends and family, keep your good habits intact, and take some natural remedies (ethnobotanicals work great) to keep these things in check. I've kicked about everything and am well versed with everything as far as the timeline of recovery to the things that can make your life a lot more manageable. Let me know via here or PM if you want to ask something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    wow, so you were able to maintain most/all of your AAS gains even while off?

    I agree with your other post about the stims and supps in general. I take around 5 different supps a day, 10 if you include the multi's and everyday health type things.... It's a hell of a lot lol. I donno if I'd be able to live without them mentally.
    I am surprised that I actually look and feel MUCH better than ever! My face is more contoured and young looking, my arms are more vascular and less puffy, my midsection keeps getting more and more lean.... I surprised myself.

    I feel you about the mental part. lol. I have a crapload of supplements I am WAITING to come in. I've got a sick stack I'm building up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green
    I am surprised that I actually look and feel MUCH better than ever! My face is more contoured and young looking, my arms are more vascular and less puffy, my midsection keeps getting more and more lean.... I surprised myself.

    I feel you about the mental part. lol. I have a crapload of supplements I am WAITING to come in. I've got a sick stack I'm building up.
    Ah yes. We are supp junkies lol. I've got a whole lot waiting for me. I can already taste them. Lol.
    Good luck with your stack my friend. Once I get some non stim pre wo I'll be off stims for a bit. Just a bit though.
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