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  1. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Vit d it is then re-starting it as a staple
    also LCLT i believe is very good for the physique in many ways and this is also a worthwhile as a daily staple you think?
    Cheers
    Yes it is, but you forced me to pick one lol


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Yes it is, but you forced me to pick one lol
    yes i did thanx for your choice

    how good is LCLT it increases ar receptors, can increase LH, and helps with strength and recovery i think?, i did read a bunch of studies on it a while back poss on pubmed a few studies showing effects after 21 days with 2g of LCLT
    thanx C
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    yes i did thanx for your choice

    how good is LCLT it increases ar receptors, can increase LH, and helps with strength and recovery i think?, i did read a bunch of studies on it a while back poss on pubmed a few studies showing effects after 21 days with 2g of LCLT
    thanx C
    No, LCLT does not increase LH. By virtue of it's protective effects on xanthine dehydrogenase and hypoxanthine formation, androgen receptor density is preserved in response to exercise.

  4. You all are making me want to try this stuff

    Dose?
    Dosing scheme?
    Does the powder tase bad?


    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No, LCLT does not increase LH. By virtue of it's protective effects on xanthine dehydrogenase and hypoxanthine formation, androgen receptor density is preserved in response to exercise.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    You all are making me want to try this stuff

    Dose?
    Dosing scheme?
    Does the powder tase bad?
    2g LCLT preworkout is all you need, though there is also evidence finding 1g and 4g effective.
    Powder is great, nice, tart, and fishy.
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  6. haha great - thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    2g LCLT preworkout is all you need, though there is also evidence finding 1g and 4g effective.
    Powder is great, nice, tart, and fishy.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No, LCLT does not increase LH. By virtue of it's protective effects on xanthine dehydrogenase and hypoxanthine formation, androgen receptor density is preserved in response to exercise.

    I read this on the Lh effects



    Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effects of feeding and L-carnitine.
    Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effec... [Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006] - PubMed result

    Abstract

    QUOTE
    PURPOSE: The purpose of this investigation was to determine the effects of 3 wk of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation and post-resistance-exercise (RE) feeding on hormonal and androgen receptor (AR) responses. METHODS: Ten resistance-trained men (mean+/-SD: age, 22+/-1 yr; mass, 86.3+/-15.3 kg; height, 181+/-11 cm) supplemented with LCLT (equivalent to 2 g of L-carnitine per day) or placebo (PL) for 21 d, provided muscle biopsies for AR determinations, then performed two RE protocols: one followed by water intake, and one followed by feeding (8 kcal.kg body mass, consisting of 56% carbohydrate, 16% protein, and 28% fat). RE protocols were randomized and included serial blood draws and a 1-h post-RE biopsy. After a 7-d washout period, subjects crossed over, and all experimental procedures were repeated. RESULTS: LCLT supplementation upregulated (P<0.05) preexercise AR content compared with PL (12.9+/-5.9 vs 11.2+/-4.0 au, respectively). RE increased (P<0.05) AR content compared with pre-RE values in the PL trial only. Post-RE feeding significantly increased AR content compared with baseline and water trials for both LCLT and PL. Serum total testosterone concentrations were suppressed (P<0.05) during feeding trials with respect to corresponding water and pre-RE values. Luteinizing hormone demonstrated subtle, yet significant changes in response to feeding and LCLT. CONCLUSION: In summary, these data demonstrated that: 1) feeding after RE increased AR content, which may result in increased testosterone uptake, and thus enhanced luteinizing hormone secretion via feedback mechanisms; and 2) LCLT supplementation upregulated AR content, which may promote recovery from RE.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    You all are making me want to try this stuff
    Yea pls tell us Mr C all the good things LCLT can do in terms of bodycomp benefits does it positivly effect muscle and fat?

    do you use it often and do you notice any benefit from it?
    wana hear all the good stuff b4 i take it as a daily staple, you think its worthwhile, the higher the dose the better?

    Thanks man

  9. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    I read this on the Lh effects



    Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effects of feeding and L-carnitine.
    Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effec... [Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006] - PubMed result

    Abstract

    QUOTE
    PURPOSE: The purpose of this investigation was to determine the effects of 3 wk of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation and post-resistance-exercise (RE) feeding on hormonal and androgen receptor (AR) responses. METHODS: Ten resistance-trained men (mean+/-SD: age, 22+/-1 yr; mass, 86.3+/-15.3 kg; height, 181+/-11 cm) supplemented with LCLT (equivalent to 2 g of L-carnitine per day) or placebo (PL) for 21 d, provided muscle biopsies for AR determinations, then performed two RE protocols: one followed by water intake, and one followed by feeding (8 kcal.kg body mass, consisting of 56% carbohydrate, 16% protein, and 28% fat). RE protocols were randomized and included serial blood draws and a 1-h post-RE biopsy. After a 7-d washout period, subjects crossed over, and all experimental procedures were repeated. RESULTS: LCLT supplementation upregulated (P<0.05) preexercise AR content compared with PL (12.9+/-5.9 vs 11.2+/-4.0 au, respectively). RE increased (P<0.05) AR content compared with pre-RE values in the PL trial only. Post-RE feeding significantly increased AR content compared with baseline and water trials for both LCLT and PL. Serum total testosterone concentrations were suppressed (P<0.05) during feeding trials with respect to corresponding water and pre-RE values. Luteinizing hormone demonstrated subtle, yet significant changes in response to feeding and LCLT. CONCLUSION: In summary, these data demonstrated that: 1) feeding after RE increased AR content, which may result in increased testosterone uptake, and thus enhanced luteinizing hormone secretion via feedback mechanisms; and 2) LCLT supplementation upregulated AR content, which may promote recovery from RE.
    Again, that is a secondary effect of LCLT's protective effects on the cell during exercise. It does not increase LH in itself.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Yea pls tell us Mr C all the good things LCLT can do in terms of bodycomp benefits does it positivly effect muscle and fat?

    do you use it often and do you notice any benefit from it?
    wana hear all the good stuff b4 i take it as a daily staple, you think its worthwhile, the higher the dose the better?

    Thanks man
    bump

  11. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    cANT USE lean extreme banned by my fed,
    any other all natty posibilities for reducing cortisol? cissus any good for this?
    What fed are you in? Ordered a bottle, haven't used it yet...would like to know if this is banned by any natty orgs

  12. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Yea pls tell us Mr C all the good things LCLT can do in terms of bodycomp benefits does it positivly effect muscle and fat?

    do you use it often and do you notice any benefit from it?
    wana hear all the good stuff b4 i take it as a daily staple, you think its worthwhile, the higher the dose the better?

    Thanks man
    As stated earlier, 2g LCLT preworkout only will have positive effects on recovery, VO2 max, and AR density, all of which can indirectly contribute to body composition if dosed long-term.

    It's cheap, and I think it's worth it. Just stick to 2g.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    What fed are you in? Ordered a bottle, haven't used it yet...would like to know if this is banned by any natty orgs
    Im in the Uk so its much stricter over here

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    As stated earlier, 2g LCLT preworkout only will have positive effects on recovery, VO2 max, and AR density, all of which can indirectly contribute to body composition if dosed long-term.

    It's cheap, and I think it's worth it. Just stick to 2g.
    Thanks man, can it be dosed postworkout instead of pre?, should it be taken on rest days? do you use it C?

  15. I responded to this yesterday but my post was deleted.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I responded to this yesterday but my post was deleted.
    Ok then, thanks anyway C

  17. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Ok then, thanks anyway C
    I do use it. Take 2g preworkout, not postworkout.

  18. Happens to me all the time

    Sorta SHADY!

    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I responded to this yesterday but my post was deleted.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It's not so simple. If doing intense and prolonged exercise, LCLT is beneficial. If not getting enough sunlight, D is beneficial. Considering a 100 day supply of vitamin D costs $3, it shouldn't even come down to a choice.
    I am pretty inclined to agree with the above. I understand the discussion back and forth on Vitamin D > LCLT from all-around effect; but I am a bigger and bigger fan of mitochondrial optimizers (like carnitine salts and so on) these days.



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  20. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii

    I am pretty inclined to agree with the above. I understand the discussion back and forth on Vitamin D > LCLT from all-around effect; but I am a bigger and bigger fan of mitochondrial optimizers (like carnitine salts and so on) these days.

    D_
    Do you use nitrates sir? Just recently I've been shown studies on their ability to maximize mitochondrial efficiency.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by rob112

    Do you use nitrates sir? Just recently I've been shown studies on their ability to maximize mitochondrial efficiency.
    Eat beetroots lol
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  22. I do NOT incorporate nitrates into my plan at present time; simply because there is high-likelihood that with increased mitochondrial efficiency comes increased production of ROS and that would ultimately defeat the purpose. I am not dismissing them - especially in the short-term...but they have no supplemental role at this point and I really could not care for a lot of beetjuice, although green leafy vegetables are a staple.


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  23. Think im gonna get on the LCLT, back on vit d as a staple

    would the cortisol inhibitor PS result in fat loss if enough is taken?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79

    Eat beetroots lol
    Eh, I think there is an underdosed nitrate(beet root extract) product already floating around somewhere lol
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii
    I do NOT incorporate nitrates into my plan at present time; simply because there is high-likelihood that with increased mitochondrial efficiency comes increased production of ROS and that would ultimately defeat the purpose. I am not dismissing them - especially in the short-term...but they have no supplemental role at this point and I really could not care for a lot of beetjuice, although green leafy vegetables are a staple.

    D_
    Fair enough. Anecdotally I have had good experiences with them in short term spurts. I am interested to see where the science goes in sports performance.
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  26. [QUOTE=miniarnold;3374836]
    would the cortisol inhibitor PS result in fat loss if enough is taken?[/QUOTE


    .......anyone know?

  27. [QUOTE=miniarnold;3380056][QUOTE=miniarnold;3374836]
    would the cortisol inhibitor PS result in fat loss if enough is taken?[/QUOTE


    Bump for the experts..................

  28. Cortisol reduction inhibits lipolysis if that's what you're asking. It does, however, spare muscle and reduce adipocyte differentiation.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Cortisol reduction inhibits lipolysis if that's what you're asking. It does, however, spare muscle and reduce adipocyte differentiation.
    Inhibit meaning it stops fat burning or increases it?
    does it require a high daily dose for fat loss say above 600mg?
    do you know of any1 using it and actually loosing fat?, and how should it be cycled?

    Thanks.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Inhibit meaning it stops fat burning or increases it?
    does it require a high daily dose for fat loss say above 600mg?
    do you know of any1 using it and actually loosing fat?, and how should it be cycled?

    Thanks.
    yes

    1 gram of 50% should do

    no I don't and you should cycle everything
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