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  1. Once you do a cycle?


    Does your endocrine system ever fully recover once you do your first cycle? Given proper PCT do you return back to baseline? Could you do one cycle per year and recover fully? Thanks.


  2. Yes of you could do one cycle and never recover, itís a gamble
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by irone93 View Post
    Does your endocrine system ever fully recover once you do your first cycle? Given proper PCT do you return back to baseline? Could you do one cycle per year and recover fully? Thanks.
    I'll follow, to hear the more experienced guys.

    But what i understand is there is a slight risk every time, but the larger risk is going on and off for years.
    Im on my first run, so no experience here. Just research.
  4. Once you do a cycle?


    I donít think there is a way to fully tell what youíre asking. The answers is based on personal interpretation and just because some numbers on a lab show youíre same as before doesnít mean there werenít long term or permanent changes that occurred.
  5. Once you do a cycle?


    I am also curious on what the wizards know as well,.. I will add that the more suppressive the compound is the more damage capable of happening,
    Get blood work done before your first cycle for a baseline
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  6. May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  7. Great article!

    I appreciate any insight anyone can provide particularly advanced users.
  8. Once you do a cycle?


    nobody can tell you whats going to happen. especially if you are youg (under 21) the risk of a lifelong f*cked up endocrine system is extremely high. its not even only the effect on your endocrine system but on your psych, as long as the prefrontal cortex isnít fully developed (this is literally for sure the case till 21 and MAYBE even till 25!) you can harm you for your whole life.

    so if you are younger than 21 i wouldnt even think about it. if you are younger than 25 but already older than 21, its up to you, there is still a higher risk compared to a real adult, older than 25.

    and even though i dont want to say that but the body will recver better if the endocrine system isnt fully shutdown. although simple test would be by far the better option because we know all side effects and how to treat them, in regards of the bodys hormone levels you should better use sarms, they wont shut you down completely. at least if you use human doses for a fair amount of time. but keep in mind that sarms are research chemicals.

  9. I really appreciate the input, it is helpful. I am 43, never did a cycle. I have been training consistently for two years. When I was in my 20s a was pretty big and was a personal trainer then got away from training and lost all my gains. I got a couple permanent injuries in my 30s.


    Thanks for your insight

  10. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post

    That’s really interesting. Anyone aware of any link between time off between cycles and the bodies ability to restore normality?

  11. I'm always on...
    at least 250 of E a week. Blood are fine, BP is fine, don't want kids, etc. I probably do 2 real cycles per year..and have since I was 35. First pin cycle was at 30, and I'm 44 now. That's just me though. Never had one bad side effect, always use precautionary drugs, and don't do PCT..because I don't come off. I'm not recommending my way of life, just sharing what I do. I don't do crazy cycles either, maybe test tren at a total of a gram a week, or test deca at about a gram a week..nothing crazy.

  12. My goal is to do one cycle a year with sufficient PCT. I just want to know will the other 3/4 of the year be low T time? Thanks for your reply.

  13. There is no guarantee. But a reasonable 16 to 20 week cycle with PCT..a real PCT..not that GNC crap. There is a 99.9 chance you will be fine. No need to worry
  14. Once you do a cycle?


    Quote Originally Posted by swimfan65 View Post
    There is no guarantee. But a reasonable 16 to 20 week cycle with PCT..a real PCT..not that GNC crap. There is a 99.9 chance you will be fine. No need to worry
    So you saying if I run a perfect pct HCG Clomid Nolva Aromasin maybe get a little wild and through some HMG in there lol.... my chances for my levels to come back is very high. I have to say I agree....

    Now the Kicker at what point has your cycle been to long and your own bodily function disconnects and no matter what pct you run or how perfectly performed you will be on TRT. Honestlyim more scared of gyno or becoming infertile then TRT but thatís just me haha

    If I did a one year steroid transformation and was on test the whole year switching all the other compounds could I then come off with a perfect PCT and get my levels back what are my chances

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Jcc7220 View Post
    So you saying if I run a perfect pct HCG Clomid Nolva Aromasin maybe get a little wild and through some HMG in there lol.... my chances for my levels to come back is very high. I have to say I agree....

    Now the Kicker at what point has your cycle been to long and your own bodily function disconnects and no matter what pct you run or how perfectly performed you will be on TRT. Honestlyim more scared of gyno or becoming infertile then TRT but thatís just me haha

    If I did a one year steroid transformation and was on test the whole year switching all the other compounds could I then come off with a perfect PCT and get my levels back what are my chances
    Much lower. Much much lower...
    A cycle gives you time tp recoup, a 1 year cycle is the definition of abuse and you'll probably have problems.

    And here i am concerned about my 20 weeks.
  16. Once you do a cycle?


    I plan on competing Phil Heath donít have no genetics on me lmao.
    No but seriously if I do a one year blast and cruise balls to the walls steroid transformation.
    Or cycle 5 months on (20weeks) and 5months off. Which I honestly donít think you need to be off as long as your on at least for hormonal reasons. I believe once your system is functioning on it own your good to go.
    And not for nothing being suppressed for 5 months is a long time is it really that big of a difference from say 8 months isnít complete shutdown complete shutdown. I mean essentially your hormonal function is a sleep itís not like it has a timer on it lol

    Edit; sorry I forgot my question would I definitely end up on TRT after a year.... the rest is just my counter arguments ahead of time lol

  17. I have done a few cycles. Each time I had an endo helping on the support side.

    I recovered each time. Been off for a very long time now. And, as of two weeks ago my second child was born.

    It is a gamble. I knew what a losing hand meant, and I was ok with it.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by T3x View Post
    I have done a few cycles. Each time I had an endo helping on the support side.

    I recovered each time. Been off for a very long time now. And, as of two weeks ago my second child was born.

    It is a gamble. I knew what a losing hand meant, and I was ok with it.
    Congratulations on the baby, can i ask how long ago was your last cycle and how ďHeavyĒ Your cycles were, say did you run any 19-Nor compounds or any other heavy suppressive compounds.
    Did you run a fertility protocol HCG, HMG, Clomid?
    I keep thinking what my woman would say to me having to take chemicals to have a baby.
    I Hear the protocol works great

  19. Thanks.

    My cycles were not heavy compared to others. My favorite stack was cyp and Eq. (Tried tren ace, wasn't a fan). 12-15 week cycles, and the protocol was focused on recovery.

    HCG during and post. And, clomid post. Arimidex was administered as needed by my doc.

    Even with an involved physician it was still a gamble.
  20. Once you do a cycle?


    Then you see someone like bostin Loid that got pregnant after all the steroid abuse while on nearly 2 grams a test and any other compound he could throw in there that guy didnít even try to come off just took an insane amount of Hcg, HMG until his ball hurt lmfao

  21. That is just..... nuts

  22. Quote Originally Posted by irone93 View Post
    Does your endocrine system ever fully recover once you do your first cycle? Given proper PCT do you return back to baseline? Could you do one cycle per year and recover fully? Thanks.
    I cycled for three years and went off for a year and recovered. I went back on for another 3 years and went off for 10 and recovered. I cycled for another 8 years and regularly recovered back into the 500-600 ng.dL range in my late 40s and early 50s. Some people can recover and probably fewer people cannot recover. The problem is that it takes a while after you have cycled for a long bit. For me when I did a lot of dece cycles back in the day it took a year to recover. You have to have the patience to give the time over to see if you can. I would say 8/10 chance to recover given enough time.
  23. Once you do a cycle?


    How bad did you feel coming off, I think thatís the problem most people canít handle feeling horrible for extended periods of time while there body resets,
    so you did the blast and cruise method Iím actually thinking thatís healthier to blast then cruise at TRT dosage rather then putting your body through recovery every couple months. Then try and come off when that day comes, and if you canít you canít.
    Unless your running a cycle here and there every once and a blue moon

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Jcc7220 View Post
    How bad did you feel coming off, I think that’s the problem most people can’t handle feeling horrible for extended periods of time while there body resets,
    so you did the blast and cruise method I’m actually thinking that’s healthier to blast then cruise at TRT dosage rather then putting your body through recovery every couple months. Then try and come off when that day comes, and if you can’t you can’t.
    Unless your running a cycle here and there every once and a blue moon
    I never stopped working out but I focused on other aspects of my life. I lost about 10 lbs and got soft. Then about 3 months in I started to harden up again. By about a year I was back to normal. I held on to about 15 - 20 lbs of the mass I had gained. I never lost that. It was my new base.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Jcc7220 View Post
    How bad did you feel coming off, I think that’s the problem most people can’t handle feeling horrible for extended periods of time while there body resets,
    so you did the blast and cruise method I’m actually thinking that’s healthier to blast then cruise at TRT dosage rather then putting your body through recovery every couple months. Then try and come off when that day comes, and if you can’t you can’t.
    Unless your running a cycle here and there every once and a blue moon
    I have been blasting and cruising for years. No problems. Just went to Dr today..all good..bloods..BP..all of it..and I'm on a blast now. To each his own
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