To Trest or to not Trest

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  1. To Trest or to not Trest


    I'll be 41 when I plan on running trest in fall. Now I'm 2nd guessing even messing with it after reading how some people never recover. Especially the older crowd.

    What's the general consensus on running it over 40? Should I take my chances or just live with 4 Andro and/or EPI Andro as my base?

    Thoughts?


  2. Anyone?
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  3. So what you're saying is I'm nuts for running it at 57?

  4. Are you running it right now?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by elo76 View Post
    Are you running it right now?
    Nope. But my next cycle includes oral and td tr3st
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  6. To Trest or to not Trest


    It shut me down faster and harder than other compounds. I love the effects of it though. Really just a cost benefit. Current cycle I am going with high dose 4-andro (600mg daily) and it's not the same at all-In terms of effects and strength. We will see how shutdown and recovery go though.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Tank999 View Post
    Nope. But my next cycle includes oral and td tr3st
    So you're not worried about the chance you won't recover? I know most people recover just fine. There's just a bigger risk with the older crowd.

  8. the correct answer is always to trest responsibly.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by elo76 View Post
    So you're not worried about the chance you won't recover? I know most people recover just fine. There's just a bigger risk with the older crowd.
    I figure it's all a gamble. I'm not doing it recreationally - I'm using it to counteract certain issues with my anavar/epi run.....

  10. Is it really that risky? I was considering it for a base in the near future, but you lot have got me worried now.

  11. From what I've read I think there's a bigger risk with the older crowd. That's why I posted the question to get some opinions.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Tank999 View Post
    So what you're saying is I'm nuts for running it at 57?
    at 57 you have nothing to lose.....

  13. Quote Originally Posted by elo76 View Post
    From what I've read I think there's a bigger risk with the older crowd. That's why I posted the question to get some opinions.
    Hmm... Don't like the sound of this. Will probably go for 4-andro instead.

  14. All steroids will suppress the release of LH and FSH from the pituitary, although 19-nor based steroids can be harder to recover from than test-based and DHT-based drugs.

    However, keep in mind that all steroid cycles have the potential to cause various degrees of permanent damage to the HPTA...and the more cycles you run, the more likely this damage is to occur.

    Have you had your T levels checked (recently)? If they are already below the ideal-optimal range you should be on TRT anyway, which makes recovery from trestolone irrelevant.

  15. I'm 41 on trt and if my order goes through will be trying trest. Heard you don't need to stack it with anything but should you .

  16. Well, I am just about to start week 3 of Msten/Trest combo. I'm 33 years old (yes yes I know, 35 & older forum =P)

    I had done 8 weeks of epiandro+Osta, then right into Msten/Trest for 4 weeks before doing full PCT.

    The epiandro + osta made me want to have sex with everything in site. Crazy libido.

    As soon as I took that trest.....gone, almost instantly. At 100mg an AI (for me atleast) is absolutely necessary.

    Now, I can still perform when I need to, but overall interest is down as well as sensitivity in that area. My blood pressure spiked and my estrogen went a little crazy as I didn't realize just HOW much this would aromatize....both of those symptoms will cause you to not be able to maintain an erection.

    Not going to lie, it's been a little disconcerting, but at the same time I've always been so damn sex crazed, on my mind CONSTANTLY, it's actually a nice little reprieve. I don't have a wife/gf that I need to worry about pleasing 24/7 at the moment either so it works for me.

    I figure just 2 more weeks then I'll start in on PCT and hopefully everything returns to normal. I'm pretty confident it will though, as I'm only taking the oral trest 4 times a day 4 hours a part. The half life is so short that even by morning I can usually tell my libido has come back until I take the first dose.

    Realistically, it's like asking "I've heard some guys lost a lot of money at the roulette table, you think I should play craps?" It's a gamble no matter what, but any 19-nor derivatives will shut you down pretty hard. I think this will be my first and only run using one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrthk75 View Post
    I'm 41 on trt and if my order goes through will be trying trest. Heard you don't need to stack it with anything but should you .
    Definitely don't run it solo. Stack it with something that doesn't aromatize. 1-andro would work well if you were looking for something Non-methylated. 4-andro would work as well, might help stave off libido issues, but it's another 'wet' compound so 4-andro + trest you will definitely want to make sure you have an AI on hand.

  17. You can read the studies, seems like recovery is just slower than many other compounds. I ran it for about 4.5 weeks at the end of a 50 day cycle stacked with sup3r-11 and sup3r-2. Recovered but was about 2mo later when I was back 100%.

    You know, there are lots of 19-nors out there, this one was tested as a male contraceptive... didn't stop me from knocking up the old lady during PCT. Lol

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Adam1 View Post
    You can read the studies, seems like recovery is just slower than many other compounds. I ran it for about 4.5 weeks at the end of a 50 day cycle stacked with sup3r-11 and sup3r-2. Recovered but was about 2mo later when I was back 100%.

    You know, there are lots of 19-nors out there, this one was tested as a male contraceptive... didn't stop me from knocking up the old lady during PCT. Lol
    And that's just it lol.....at another forum I'm on someone mentioned that and within about 5 minutes 3 other dudes chimed in about how they also got their wives/girlfriends pregnant while running tons of stuff that should have shut them down similarly. Tren is a popular one, and it's similar to trest in terms of shutdown because it's another 19-Nor.

    These shut you down quicker, and make recovery longer. No matter what though, as said earlier, it's still a gamble with any of them. I'm just going to take my necessary precautions. PCT is in a week. Got Prami, nolva, exem, sup3r-pct, the whole bit. Probably going to do a full 6-8 weeks just to make sure everything is on the up and up.

    From here on out, I'm going to stick with the Test and DHT derivatives and avoid the 19-nors.

    Here's a great wikipedia that gives a breakdown of the kinds out there to familiarize yourself with whether or not it's 19-nor, DHT, etc...

    I cant post links so just swap out the + in the link.

    en+wikipedia+org/wiki/List_of_androgens/anabolic_steroids#19-Nortestosterone_.28nandrolone. 29_derivatives

  19. Someone who has run it before but had trouble with hpta recovery, should run it again in conjunction with a SERM. Could be an interdasting n=1 experiment.

  20. At 40 and interested in cycling is a tough call. Especially with the potent compounds like Trest or Tren. Being on TRT Definately helps eliminate the horrors of shut down.
    I'm low dosing my Trest as a base while I hit Tren Ace.
    I will def have caber and aromasin on hand. I'm bulking though so I don't want to completely destroy Estrogen. Bloat isn't my concern as much as a nice set of tatters!! Lol
    Hope things worked out!

  21. I thought 19-nor compounds are harsher due to acting on both the pituitary directly and at the hypothamus to reduce GNRH whereas testosterone based steroids only on the hypothalamus and this is why LDN (naltrexone) along with a SERM on cycle has been proposed as a method to preventing HPTA shutdown with test derivatives but not with 19-nor compounds. Regardless I'd give the 19-nors a miss and go with good old testosterone if you can get it and if not an andro run though you'll be short changing on gains in comparison to trest. That is if you have any concerns about recovery.
    I plan to run a 4 week Test.susp cycle with LDN and 10mg nolva ED with pre/post cycle bloods to see how effective this protocol is for limiting HPTA suppression.

  22. I'm interested in seeing your findings. I've now noticed a few people run serms on cycle. Was always curious as to why.
    I'm cruising because I'm an older dude. I just love to learn and hear new input. Considering bodybuilding has made leaps and bounds in 30 or so yrs!! Even though I like the physiques a lot more back in the 70s early 80s
    My bad I just love talking shop lol

  23. The 19 Nor are also a lot friendlier on us older cats when it comes to our joints. I'm junk from pitching thru college. Living in Cold New England it isn't so bad to have some Decca etc kickin around the crib

  24. I can believe that.

    The LDN and SERM to prevent suppression is pretty old news. I googled some reports from users running both and requiring no PCT with bloods to support (allegedly) and yet so few run these drugs alongside a cycle.

  25. I can believe that.

    The LDN and SERM to prevent suppression is pretty old news. I googled some reports from users running both and requiring no PCT with bloods to support (allegedly) and yet so few run these drugs alongside a cycle.
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