TRT effects

[Slothful]

I have been on TRT for 5 weeks. 200mg first week and 140 every 7 days. I have not really noticed a difference. How long till I will notice something?

 

[DotW]

Was that through an endo? I've been low since April and I still can't get her to prescribe me more than 75mg per week.

In the beginning, I could tell a difference, but not so much anymore.

The only things I really ever "noticed" was sporadic erections, especially when I slept. Other than that, about six weeks in, I had significant strength gains in the gym. That may be a placebo effect though.

 

[C Dub805]

I have been on TRT for 5 weeks. 200mg first week and 140 every 7 days. I have not really noticed a difference. How long till I will notice something?

What effects were you expecting to notice? The reason I ask is that injecting testosterone in and of itself is not a cure all. Tell us about your workout protocol, your nutrition.....Are you getting adequate rest? How is your cortisol? Your adrenals? What supplements are you taking?

 

[C Dub805]

Was that through an endo? I've been low since April and I still can't get her to prescribe me more than 75mg per week.

In the beginning, I could tell a difference, but not so much anymore.

The only things I really ever "noticed" was sporadic erections, especially when I slept. Other than that, about six weeks in, I had significant strength gains in the gym. That may be a placebo effect though.

75mg per week is a complete waste of your effort and resources. Fire her and get a new doc bro!

 

[Slothful]

Work out 5 days a week and have since I was 20. Run about 10 miles a week. Diet not great. Sleep 9 hours a night. No supplements. I am 5'8 180.

 

[C Dub805]

Work out 5 days a week and have since I was 20. Run about 10 miles a week. Diet not great. Sleep 9 hours a night. No supplements. I am 5'8 180. View attachment 127186View attachment 127187

If your diet sucks then no amount of injected testosterone is going to be a cure all.

 

[Slothful]

Not great- not super clean. I eat 2200 calories a day. 3 meals and two snacks. Protein drinks are my snack most of the time.

 

[C Dub805]

Not great- not super clean. I eat 2200 calories a day. 3 meals and two snacks. Protein drinks are my snack most of the time.

What are your expectations? What were you expecting to notice and/or feel from being on that amount of testosterone?

 

[Slothful]

Expected some increase in energy.

 

[BlockBuilder]

Expected some increase in energy.

What are you taking for estrogen?

 

[Slothful]

Nothing.

 

[Slothful]

Doctor did prescribe anything

 

[BlockBuilder]

That's a big ****ing problem lol. You need to get your estrogen checked ASAP. Doctor is a dummy

 

[C Dub805]

Expected some increase in energy.

I would venture to say if you get your nutrition dialed in and cut back on your workouts (5 days per week is too much) you may very well feel more energetic. Your body may not be getting enough rest/recovery. Also, check your estradiol, adrenals and other hormone levels. Like I said, testosterone supplementation in and of itself is not the answer or solution.

 

[BlockBuilder]

I would venture to say if you get your nutrition dialed in and cut back on your workouts (5 days per week is too much) you may very well feel more energetic. Your body may not be getting enough rest/recovery. Also, check your estradiol, adrenals and other hormone levels. Like I said, testosterone supplementation in and of itself is not the answer or solution.

He said nothing was given to him for estrogen. Don't all TRT protocols require Arimidex?

 

[DotW]

He said nothing was given to him for estrogen. Don't all TRT protocols require Arimidex?

I'm just on test e, without anything for estrogen, but my endo is literally taking baby steps to get me on a baseline. I asked for a female panel during my next blood test just to check my levels.

 

[C Dub805]

He said nothing was given to him for estrogen. Don't all TRT protocols require Arimidex?

No. As a matter of fact, if a proper TRT dose is administered then no AI at all may be required. However, everyone is different so you do shed light on a good point. We don't know what this guy's estradiol levels are. They may be too high, they may be too low. Some guys only take an AI when they are symptomatic. I'm 41 and on 200mg of cypionate per week. I dose twice per week. I do not take an AI because I don't need one, but that is just me. My estradiol levels are fine and I have zero symptoms.

 

[C Dub805]

I'm just on test e, without anything for estrogen, but my endo is literally taking baby steps to get me on a baseline. I asked for a female panel during my next blood test just to check my levels.

So you have no idea what your estradiol is? Did you get a full panel before going on exogenous test?

 

[DotW]

So you have no idea what your estradiol is? Did you get a full panel before going on exogenous test?

Yeah. I get my test ran monthly and a full panel done the week before my follow up with the endo, which is every four months at this point.

 

[C Dub805]

Yeah. I get my test ran monthly and a full panel done the week before my follow up with the endo, which is every four months at this point.

Well, to give you a reference range. I'm on 200mg of cypionate per week dosed twice per week (M/TH) and my TT is 856, which is a sweet spot to be at. So, you being on 75mg and your levels arguably still in the gutter should tell your doc something if she has any clue about any of this.

 

[DotW]

Well, to give you a reference range. I'm on 200mg of cypionate per week dosed twice per week (M/TH) and my TT is 856, which is a sweet spot to be at. So, you being on 75mg and your levels arguably still in the gutter should tell your doc something if she has any clue about any of this.

My next test is next week. I'll see where I'm at then.

I'm sure we'll get there, this'll be my fourth follow up and she's bumped me up at the past two. How does test e compare to cyp, in regards to esther?

 

[C Dub805]

My next test is next week. I'll see where I'm at then.

I'm sure we'll get there, this'll be my fourth follow up and she's bumped me up at the past two. How does test e compare to cyp, in regards to esther?

Not much of a difference; both are long esters. I inject twice per week. It seems like you should be on no less than 150mg per week if your levels are that low on 75mg.

 

[DotW]

She said she'd bump me to 100mg a week if I didn't get to 500 by my next appointment. I'm still not there. I think I'll get there. I don't have a whole lot of options, here in Northern Delaware. ?

 

[C Dub805]

She said she'd bump me to 100mg a week if I didn't get to 500 by my next appointment. I'm still not there. I think I'll get there. I don't have a whole lot of options, here in Northern Delaware.

What makes you think you will get there on that dose? I feel you man; your location limits your access to options. I just don't understand how if you are on such a low dose and have been on such a low dose and your levels are still in the gutter how continuing on such a low dose is going to bring you to any appreciable level? What were your levels before you started? 200-300 is low brother! You want to be in the high end of normal and stay there. The reference range is approximately 300-1,100 so it's pointless to take a dose that keeps you at the very low end of normal, let alone below the low end of normal. You could get up into the 900 range and be fine! I appreciate a doc who is cautious, but in this case, she isn't really doing much to help you at all in my humble opinion. I mean, suppose you hit 500, would you be happy there? Will your doc give you more to get you up to at least the 800's?

 

[DotW]

What makes you think you will get there on that dose? I feel you man; your location limits your access to options. I just don't understand how if you are on such a low dose and have been on such a low dose and your levels are still in the gutter how continuing on such a low dose is going to bring you to any appreciable level? What were your levels before you started? 200-300 is low brother! You want to be in the high end of normal and stay there. The reference range is approximately 300-1,100 so it's pointless to take a dose that keeps you at the very low end of normal, let alone below the low end of normal. You could get up into the 900 range and be fine! I appreciate a doc who is cautious, but in this case, she isn't really doing much to help house all in my humble opinion. I mean, suppose you hit 500, would you be happy there? Will your doc give you more to get you up to at least the 800's?

All good points. Insurance covers my endo, but not the test. There's only one endo in Northern Delaware. Should I try a urologist?

 

[C Dub805]

All good points. Insurance covers my endo, but not the test. There's only one endo in Northern Delaware. Should I try a urologist?

Test from a compound pharmacy is dirt cheap! You don't need insurance. I pay $55 for a 10ml vial of cypionate dosed at .5ml/100mg. That's inexpensive. All you need is a prescription.

 

[DotW]

Test from a compound pharmacy is dirt cheap! You don't need insurance. I pay $55 for a 10ml vial of cypionate dosed at .5ml/100mg. That's inexpensive. All you need is a prescription.

Agreed. I pay $66 for a 5ml bottle. That's why I was asking about the urologist. You think I should try that route?

 

[C Dub805]

Agreed. I pay $66 for a 5ml bottle. That's why I was asking about the urologist. You think I should try that route?

You can since your options are sooooo limited where you live. The thing is, a urologist isn't necessarily a specialist or expert in TRT/HRT. For example, if the medical community as a whole agrees with the normal reference range of TT being between 300-1,100 and you are at 350; well guess what? You are within the normal range and there is a good chance a urologist or endo will not prescribe you testosterone. But, we all know there is a big difference between being on the low end of the normal range and the high end of the normal range. That is where a specialist in this field (TRT/HRT) becomes valuable.

 

[DotW]

You can since your options are sooooo limited where you live. The thing is, a urologist isn't necessarily a specialist or expert in TRT/HRT. For example, if the medical community as a whole agrees with the normal reference range of TT being between 300-1,100 and you are at 350; well guess what? You are within the normal range and there is a good chance a urologist or endo will not prescribe you testosterone. But, we all know there is a big difference between being on the low end of the normal range and the high end of the normal range. That is where a specialist in this field (TRT/HRT) becomes valuable.

From the sounds of it, I may have just come across someone who can help. Thanks for your input, brotha!

 

[C Dub805]

From the sounds of it, I may have just come across someone who can help. Thanks for your input, brotha!

Anytime my man! We are all here to help each other out and learn from one another.