38 years old and 218 test level ?
- 01-17-2014, 04:23 PM
- 01-17-2014, 08:25 PM
Find a doc that'll let you have injectable test. One that doesn't breathe down your neck about dosing.Everything I say is fictional and for entertainment purposes only. Do not ask me for sources. I dont have any.
- 01-18-2014, 03:50 PM
Why not try a natural test boosting supplement first? See what is available.
01-18-2014, 04:50 PM
I've tried a bunch with no big difference. Just some acne, and headaches.
01-18-2014, 05:36 PM
wow, sorry to hear that. good luck though man!
01-18-2014, 06:50 PM
01-19-2014, 07:57 PM
Forget test boosters, it's TRT time my man.
Go to an anti-aging clinic and get a robust regimen built around self-administered injections of testosterone cypionate and HCG. It will absolutely change your life. Been there, done that, wish I'd done it years earlier, won't ever go back. Don't mess around with creams or gels or pellets or your primary care doc, do it right.
01-20-2014, 07:26 AM
another option is to run clomid at 25 mgs per day for 3-6 months.
I am currently doing this as well as running a few items like tropinol and intimidate along side to see if I can get back into the 700s before I capitulate and got full trt
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01-20-2014, 08:31 AM
My doc doesn't like the pellets as a delivery system. The injections are the way to go. TRT is for life so as a lot of the other guys stated maybe try some other options. I have a friend on HCG monotherapy that has his numbers in the mid 6's from a low of 212. He injects 500iu 2x a week subq with a slin pin.
I'm on 175 a week and my test is up in the 800-900 range and everything is humming along just fine.
I tried clomid and other than being able to ejaculate like peter north I didn't notice much of a difference.
Edit-I tried a lot of the test boosters and like the others I got a little hornier and a some skin blemishes but didn't notice any increase in the gym or in mood.
And as far as an anti aging clinic, I agree with the other poster. That's how I started out but I felt like they were a revolving door and I didn't get much in the way of an answer as to the cause. I have good insurance so I got referred to an endo to confirm primary shutdown. I wrestled and rode bmx then motocross for years and then took up MMA. The doc asked if I ever took a good shot to the testes and I laughed. I spent half my younger life getting kicked or taking a crossrail to the nuts so yeah doc "once or twice".
I felt better knowing I had a diagnosis. My concern was that it may have been cancer or a genetic disorder and I wanted to discount all of that.
I eventually found a doc who was well versed in TRT and I'm sticking with him. He added Aromasin and HGC to my protocol and I'm doing great.
01-20-2014, 10:34 AM
01-20-2014, 09:02 PM
What's the difference between the shots and pellets ? Other then I don't need to get shot in the ass every other week with the pellets. It sounds like the shots last about ten days before they fade. And the pellets last 5 months.
01-20-2014, 10:53 PM
Pellets have a reputation for being ineffective and painful. Shots are not bad. Plus you can titrate up and down. But first find a doc to try a clomid test. You may do fine on clomid or hcg. Trt is for life, most can't get off of it. You should also consider gel if you do not have small children.
01-21-2014, 12:34 PM
Dude, get some 27g insulin pins and hit your delts twice a week. Steady levels, never think about absorption or contaminating the kids
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01-21-2014, 07:13 PM
The only doctor around that I can afford will make me come in every two weeks and give me the shoots. Or pellets every 5 months. I have little girls so the cream isn't an option.
01-21-2014, 07:37 PM
01-21-2014, 08:35 PM
Between pellets and injections in-office every two weeks, my choice would be 'find another doctor'. Unless you live in the Alaskan wilderness, you can find another doctor. Besides, who wants to go in every two weeks to go get shots? And every two weeks will put you on a roller coaster. You need smaller shots every week. You are a 38 year old adult, find a doctor that treats you like one.
Some call it doctor shopping. I call it expectations for customer service. Personally, I am 37 and bill by the hour. I would laugh in the face of any physician who told me to come in every other week.
01-22-2014, 12:05 PM
I'd stay away from the pellets(painful, expensive, and not as efficient) and go with injections. Weekly injections. If you find a DR that prescribes bi-weekly, find another Dr. I do 200mg and an AI 2 weekly and I'm right at 1500 and feel like a million bucks.
Be careful of the anti-aging clinics. They can be expensive and insurance may not bite. Good luck!
01-22-2014, 02:04 PM
I like my clinic, for what it's worth. Not as cheap as insurance, but not outrageous, and my regular doc wasn't willing to go 200 a week plus AI and HCG, which is standard with the guys I use. I'm also right around 1500 and also feel great.
01-22-2014, 05:04 PM
01-22-2014, 05:12 PM
Close enough Wisconsin. Well just left doctors office and I went with the shots. He letting me do them myself. And the first one is killing my ass. Can u still use Preworks ? Thanks for the help brothers !
01-22-2014, 06:39 PM
01-22-2014, 09:33 PM
I don't see anything on the paper work but the test and pins are coming to the house in 3 to 5 days. He did say something about 800 mg and he thought it would get me in the 700-800 range. But I thought liquids are measured different. I guess I will call in the morning to double check dosage. When I talked to him he was super cool and willing to play with the dose and timing. Hopefully this gets me up and going agian.
01-22-2014, 09:50 PM
01-23-2014, 07:19 AM
01-23-2014, 10:08 AM
Well I hope it's not just in my head but dame I feel good ( about 19 hours after first pin). I'm doing 5-3-1 and can't wait to get to the gym to squat!!!
01-23-2014, 10:09 AM
01-25-2014, 03:48 AM
I felt a little difference the day after my first shot. But normally it shows up in 5 -7 days, you will notice a little more energy and drive, then at 4-5 weeks you will know that it's working. I draw with a 18g needle and inject with a 25g needle, everyone has their way of doing it. Wipe the spot with an alcohol wipe, wait till it dries, draw and switch to the smaller gauge needle, allow one drop of the testosterone to run down the needle and into my delt it goes. I have injected with both 5/8 and 1" for me there isn't much difference going in. I like the delts over anywhere, but I have injected biceps, pecs...calves, but only once I shot the the upper leg...felt like I got hit with a baseball bat the next day. The more you inject the easier it will become.....the results.....priceless.!!!
01-29-2014, 08:45 PM
Has anybody had headaches or sore joints after there shots? My be the weather or bad luck but both have been bad lately.
01-29-2014, 10:33 PM
I have not heard of anyone having these problems with pharmaceutical testosterone. There are risks when injecting underground products, but as long as you keep sterile (wipe the top of the vial with alcohol pad and your injection area and let dry, don't reuse pins etc.) you should be fine.
I have not had headaches or sore joints and inject twice a week sub-Q and once IM.
01-29-2014, 11:12 PM
01-31-2014, 08:19 AM
As I understand it, hCG can desensitized the leydig cells over time. Are you guys who take hCG not concerned about that?
01-31-2014, 08:27 AM
01-31-2014, 09:48 AM
Crislers TRT protocol says 250iu of HCG T-2 and T-1, with weekly test injections on day T.
02-09-2014, 04:46 PM
02-18-2014, 04:36 PM
Had my test, was 278, my Dr. prescribed Androderm 19.5 mg , delivery of 4mg / day ,( patch ) had a retest after 3 months range is 470 now. I would prefer the injectable as the patch burns the hell out of my skin , I mentioned to my Dr. , and her reply was " I can discontinue " . Do you think a specialist would be more approachable ?
02-18-2014, 04:54 PM
02-27-2014, 08:56 PM
Well just came back from getting my blood work and my test is 1200. That's pretty dame high I think. The doc looked shocked . He said he thinks I responding to well. Anybody think that's to high? Other then some aggression that I'm getting better at controlling I feel f ing great. In a side note what do you guys think of doing a cycle of extreme mass while in test?
02-27-2014, 10:55 PM
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