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    11 oxo stack


    Considering a 11 oxo stack... at 600mg a day... could an over the counter PCT be ok? And if so what should that look like?

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    I have never used 11 oxo, but it is my understanding that it is a real, albeit designer steroid that has slipped through the approval process. You will need a real PCT. I would expect that you would need the same PCT as a test cycle. No big deal, the real stuff PCT is available on the gray market everywhere for cheap. I have used three or four places and all were good to go.
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    11 oxo is among the mildest PHs out there.. it is also used to "bridge" into stronger things or to come off of harder things. it is one of the few that will not suppress you very bad. its far better at killing cortisol than it is attaching to a androgen receptor. OTC will be fine with this one.. but I would taper down the last two weeks allowing the androgen plasma levels to fall a bit. have a look at reversitol by iForce or Complete PCT by BBS
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    It could be ok. As R1pp said, it is the middle ground PH. For your PCT I would look into Tropinol and Intimidate. Though if you want to be absolutly certain there is NO issue, i would add in Nolva.
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    What are your goals?
    When you say stack, what are you stacking it with?
    Why do you not want to run a post cycle?
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    Goals would be to lose some fat in certsin areas or body recomp... thinking of running with furuza... PCT would to recoop any shut down
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    Quote Originally Posted by xR1pp3Rx View Post
    11 oxo is among the mildest PHs out there.. it is also used to "bridge" into stronger things or to come off of harder things. it is one of the few that will not suppress you very bad. its far better at killing cortisol than it is attaching to a androgen receptor. OTC will be fine with this one.. but I would taper down the last two weeks allowing the androgen plasma levels to fall a bit. have a look at reversitol by iForce or Complete PCT by BBS
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    Quote Originally Posted by houser31 View Post
    PCT would to recoop any shut down
    I understand that, but do you understand that if you are shutdown at all, then you need a SERM, not otc products. Luckily, most believe you can get away without a PCT on 11-oxo but this is not true of 98% of hormones out there. It's never worth the risk imo and that's why I chime in on the importance of a REAL post cycle even when someone's running a rare cycle that doesn't necessarily need one. I've seen too many guys not recover and have a ton of sexual dysfunction and lost gains.
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    I'm gonna chime in here with a second point. There definitely will be some active ingredients in the bottle, but 11oxo is expensive. What is actually in the bottle may be cheaper and harsher. Reputable companies are better than others, but there is still a risk. Best to protect yourself with real PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rixrix View Post
    I'm gonna chime in here with a second point. There definitely will be some active ingredients in the bottle, but 11oxo is expensive. What is actually in the bottle may be cheaper and harsher. Reputable companies are better than others, but there is still a risk. Best to protect yourself with real PCT.
    ^this^ you could just run a couple weeks/ low dose. Wouldn't even make a dent in a liquid RC bottle.
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    I read in a thread recently 11oxo dropped someones test lvl by 200+ points. Because of that I would definitely use a serm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by houser31 View Post
    Considering a 11 oxo stack... at 600mg a day... could an over the counter PCT be ok? And if so what should that look like?
    Well I have advised people in the past about 11oxo to make sure they take plenty of test boosters if they skip a SERM. First of all, 600mg will be ok in terms of gains, but if you really want to see something nice from 11oxo you need to up it to 1gram per day. If you do increase it to 1gram then definitely use a SERM. I feel like really low doses of 11oxo (600mg is not a really low dose, but more a moderate dose so harder to say) don't necessarily need a SERM, but higher doses of 11oxo should definitely be treated just like any other PH or AAS. IMO you are better off safe than sorry and grab some Clomid or Nolva or torem just in case, but if you just don't want to do that at all you can run multiple test boosters/AIs like DAA or Bulbine or Tropinol XP/Intimidate SRT. I would run a SERM anyway, but this is a moderate dose of a very moderate PH - so it is really up to you. Safety first though, nobody wants tiny nads and bitch tits.
  

  
 

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