- 08-18-2013, 08:01 PM
History: Nearly 35 now (months away). Took prohormones for about 6 months (on and off and did pct) when i was about 22-23. However, the last year or two I have been taking more naps, less energetic, etc. Was fine for years up until now.
Anyway, I had my test level tested and i'm at 150. my thyroid was a hair low so they did further tests and said T3 and T4 are in the "normal range", but T3 is barely in the normal range.
Tomorrow I go see a different doctor who deals with test more then my normal family doctor. My main question is this. Do they, or should they find the cause for low test? Do they do an MRI of your pituitary gland, testes, or? Or 99.9% of the time is it just low test w/o say cancer so they just treat the low test and move on? Also if I'm going to be treated for low test is it normal for them to check my estrogen/progesterone levels as well?
Just curious what to look for to ensure this guy really knows his stuff.
- 08-19-2013, 04:17 AM
I have been on TRT for about 5 weeks now and going for my updated blood tests next week. Typically you will only get your blood tests done and that is it. I do not know of anyone that does an MRI or anything like that. They will test your PSA to check for cancer risk. I am feeling a good bit better with regards to wellness feeling, libido, and aggression in the gym. I hope it works out for you.
- 08-19-2013, 09:51 AM
They won't automatically test for estrogen/prog etc. you may need to ask them to test for that.
08-19-2013, 12:50 PM
I got my first shot from the doc today. I didn't ask how much or what as I forgot. Nurse said "it's a low dose so if you don't feel much in a few weeks let us know and we'll raise it".
However, he said in Nov he wants blood work again and estrodial is on the paperwork so this guy seems pretty thorough. In this area several recommended this doc. I just want more energy and to feel better. I have such a lack of motivation/energy I would say i'm almost borderline depressed. Never been "depressed" so I can't say if I am, but I can say i'm the closest now, if i'm not. I don't know how badly 173 test will make you feel, but I just feel like a lazy sack of **** basically and that's not me at all. Also been more emotional during sad tv shows/movies....very weird for me.
08-19-2013, 02:12 PM
I'm on my 5th week of TRT (AndroGel). Using two pumps daily and feeling much better than usual (better energy and libido). I'm going to have my bloods done either later this week or next. I usually get my total test, E2 and PSA. I don't worry about progesterone, I take it daily. From what I have read I expect my total test to be around 300. If so I will go to 4 pumps daily.
08-19-2013, 04:28 PM
I told the doc injections only as I work in a warehouse and sweat a lot. Also more consistent I believe. I forgot to ask the dosage I'm on, but next time I go next week I'm going to ask.
08-20-2013, 08:28 AM
Actually gel is more consistent as it is applied daily and can eliminate the more extreme peaks and troughs that can be found with injections, depending on your injection schedule. Some people do not absorb the gel well though so they injections are definitely better for some.
How often will you be getting an injections. If it is more than every 7 days your doc is not doing you much good.
08-21-2013, 09:28 AM
It's every 7 days. I just found out i'm getting 100mg injections. Is this a pretty low dose or?
08-22-2013, 06:07 AM
100mg is a pretty standard HRT dose. Personally I think it would be best to divide it up to two 50mg subQ injections 2x per week over one 100mg IM injection but the 100mg IM 1/weeks is very typical.
08-27-2013, 10:19 PM
08-27-2013, 11:04 PM
I think it is marketing that has gotten doctors to prescribe gels. Most men are wimps when it comes to shots so its easy to market something you just rub on the skin but I think most men would be better off with injections, and they are much cheaper as well.
08-28-2013, 07:38 AM
More frequent injections means more stable blood levels and less of a trough before your next injection. For most this will make them feel better.
More frequent, smaller injections, means less T getting converted to E, and therefore you get more for your money, so to speal, with your T and also may negate the need to use an AnitE.
I think moving forward we will continue to see a trend of many HRT docs switching to more frequent SubQ administration of testosterone.
08-28-2013, 08:11 AM
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08-28-2013, 01:33 PM
I inject 60mg e3.5d sub q and average mid 600s the day of next injection. When I was doing IM, it was the exact same number. No need to dig into the muscle for no reason. I draw with an 18g and inject with 25g.
08-28-2013, 01:54 PM
08-28-2013, 02:06 PM
08-28-2013, 02:53 PM
08-28-2013, 07:47 PM
Like I said, when I have done sub q I have used 5/16" 31g insulin syringes. I have never had any issues drawing or injecting. Drawing may take a few minutes, but I just left the vial and syringe upside down in my underwear drawer and came back in a few minutes and it was ready. Injecting didn't take more than a few seconds. The small amount you inject several times a week is not an issue to inject.
Doing weekly 200mg IM injections I use a 1" 25g for both drawing and injecting. Again drawing and injecting do not take long and are not issues.
I did frequent sub q for about eight months and I have to say I feel much better on once a week IM.
08-29-2013, 08:56 AM
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