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  1. Looking for another route ... starting to lose hope


    Ok guys, I took DAA which I bought in Amazon. I took 3.12-3.2g per day for straight 12-15 days before. Definitely it did something on my s---n. LOL! I work out intensely 5x a week. I also make sure I meet my macros. I do eat a lot of chicken breast, brown rice, sweet potatoes, steak, pasta, and more healthy foods. However, I've only seen very little gains this year as compared to the gains I gained last year. I think I am smaller this year.

    I'm actually tempted to contact my doctor and ask for a T test. I'm 145lbs at 5'5", 42 yrs old. I know that I'm intensely working out because I am now able to do 300 lbs deadlift which is my 1 rep max. For full squats, I can do 245-255 lbs x 6. For bench, 1 rep max is 195 lbs. Today marks my 18th month working out. I do see some definition in my body but muscle mass is still missing Oh, one guy came over last weekend to pickup something and he is huge, great physique. He told me some tips which is to eat red meat. He also told me that I have a small frame. I'm really disappointed and losing hope. I really want to gain more muscles but not become big. I really like the physique of greg plitt.

    I'm also tempted to buy dianabol or danabol or d-bol. I am not sure if that is ok. I usually don't go beyond the recommended intake. I don't want to hurt myself.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post
    Ok guys, I took DAA which I bought in Amazon. I took 3.12-3.2g per day for straight 12-15 days before. Definitely it did something on my s---n. LOL! I work out intensely 5x a week. I also make sure I meet my macros. I do eat a lot of chicken breast, brown rice, sweet potatoes, steak, pasta, and more healthy foods. However, I've only seen very little gains this year as compared to the gains I gained last year. I think I am smaller this year.

    I'm actually tempted to contact my doctor and ask for a T test. I'm 145lbs at 5'5", 42 yrs old. I know that I'm intensely working out because I am now able to do 300 lbs deadlift which is my 1 rep max. For full squats, I can do 245-255 lbs x 6. For bench, 1 rep max is 195 lbs. Today marks my 18th month working out. I do see some definition in my body but muscle mass is still missing I'm 41 yrs old. Oh, one guy came over last weekend to pickup something and he is huge, great physique. He told me some tips which is to eat red meat. He also told me that I have a small frame. I'm really disappointed and losing hope. I really want to gain more muscles but not become big. I really like the physique of greg plitt.

    I'm also tempted to buy dianabol or danabol or d-bol. I am not sure if that is ok. I usually don't go beyond the recommended intake. I don't want to hurt myself.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    how bout instead of getting dbol, because you clearly have no clue what that is, you go to your doctor and get bloodwork done in an attempt to get on trt. at least that way, youll have an endo watchin your back if somethin goes bad

    or go to an anti aging clinic and bich nonstop about erectile disfunction and lethargy, even if its not true. theyll probly cave eventually since youre 41 (instead of 25 ring to get trt lol)

    btw dude, theres a reason everyone calls the first 6 months "noob gains." your body just kind of learns to work in unison giving off the impression of amazing strength gains. its really just motor learning, form, and some glycogen storage
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  3. I'll setup an appointment with my family doctor sometime this month. Thanks!

    By the way, it's my first time hearing trt. What is it?

  4. How can I convince my doctor that I need testosterone?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post
    How can I convince my doctor that I need testosterone?
    you wont unless you go in and have your blood drawn to get a test reading. if its normal, youre S.O.L. if its low, then he/she might suggest it. or you can suggest it yoruself and see what happens
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    you wont unless you go in and have your blood drawn to get a test reading. if its normal, youre S.O.L. if its low, then he/she might suggest it. or you can suggest it yoruself and see what happens
    I spoke to him. He told me that I should take thyroid, full and free testosterone test, lipid, muscle something(forgot the term), cbc. Date is on the 29th.

    If let's say it's normal, that means, I'm in bad luck. What products can I buy? I did some research and some recommendation was Tribulus.

  7. Previously I can do up to 3-4 during sex but of course with some rest in between like 15-30 mins. That was about 10-15 years ago. Now I can only do twice but the second is even harder, it's lesser Are these some signs my T is on the low side?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post
    Previously I can do up to 3-4 during sex but of course with some rest in between like 15-30 mins. That was about 10-15 years ago. Now I can only do twice but the second is even harder, it's lesser Are these some signs my T is on the low side?
    It's a good sign your getting older, welcome to the club, as one said go get your levels tested, just an FYI just because you get on trt does not mean your going to start gaining muscle the goal of trt is to get you in normal ranges and feeling good, now don't get me wrong you may see some improvement. But if your not extremely tired during and after workouts I doubt your low enough to get on trt, just my honest opinion.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post

    I spoke to him. He told me that I should take thyroid, full and free testosterone test, lipid, muscle something(forgot the term), cbc. Date is on the 29th.

    If let's say it's normal, that means, I'm in bad luck. What products can I buy? I did some research and some recommendation was Tribulus.
    well actually, if its normal,then thats a good thing. that means your issue isnt hormonal. when its not hormonal, it an usually be fixed with diet or light therapy (if youre just uber stressed or somethin). if you end up having low T, you might gt prescribed trt. which means shooting up exo test 1-2 times a week. some drs make you come in to get it done too

  10. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post

    I spoke to him. He told me that I should take thyroid, full and free testosterone test, lipid, muscle something(forgot the term), cbc. Date is on the 29th.

    If let's say it's normal, that means, I'm in bad luck. What products can I buy? I did some research and some recommendation was Tribulus.
    Oh man, dude if your testosterone is normal thats a good thing, believe me if I didn't feel like sh!t before going on trt I wouldn't have started on it. While it is awesome once you get dialed in, it can be tough, erections can get worse, no sex drive at all, your blood pressure can go up, your red blood cells start to rise, my friend stop asking questions and go read as much information as you can.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    how bout instead of getting dbol, because you clearly have no clue what that is, you go to your doctor and get bloodwork done in an attempt to get on trt. at least that way, youll have an endo watchin your back if somethin goes bad

    or go to an anti aging clinic and bich nonstop about erectile disfunction and lethargy, even if its not true. theyll probly cave eventually since youre 41 (instead of 25 ring to get trt lol)

    btw dude, theres a reason everyone calls the first 6 months "noob gains." your body just kind of learns to work in unison giving off the impression of amazing strength gains. its really just motor learning, form, and some glycogen storage
    Excellent advice. There are plenty of posts here to communicate the labs you need to have your physician order. I am sure you are paying so there is not reason they should say no. Just don't come across as an A##. At a minimum get the following labs:
    Test, Total
    Test, Free
    Estrogen
    Estradiol,
    SHBG
    RBC
    PSA
    LH, FSH
    I also suggest a thyroid panel.

    Once you get these results post here an we will help you.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by pappybay View Post
    Excellent advice. There are plenty of posts here to communicate the labs you need to have your physician order. I am sure you are paying so there is not reason they should say no. Just don't come across as an A##. At a minimum get the following labs:
    Test, Total
    Test, Free
    Estrogen
    Estradiol,
    SHBG
    RBC
    PSA
    LH, FSH
    I also suggest a thyroid panel.

    Once you get these results post here an we will help you.
    You are awesome! I will definitely do that!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post
    I'm really disappointed and losing hope. I really want to gain more muscles but not become big. I really like the physique of greg plitt.
    No don't lose hope, practice first, just really liking your OWN build and what you have done for yourself and do not look for others to compare yourself too. You'll get by much better and be much happier for it in the long run. Your lifts are pretty great for your size dude, so be very happy with those accomplishments.
    Do you mean not adding body fat? Everyone I know who is in this game is pretty much after the same thing. They want muscle size only, without making their gut or all over size smoother/bigger. It can be a tough goal if you are not adding cals./bodyweight.

    Lastly, you mention intensity, but not much on your routine set up. Do you use more intensity than volume say?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    No don't lose hope, practice first, just really liking your OWN build and what you have done for yourself and do not look for others to compare yourself too. You'll get by much better and be much happier for it in the long run. Your lifts are pretty great for your size dude, so be very happy with those accomplishments.
    Will do.

    Do you mean not adding body fat? Everyone I know who is in this game is pretty much after the same thing. They want muscle size only, without making their gut or all over size smoother/bigger. It can be a tough goal if you are not adding cals./bodyweight.
    I'm aware of the fat that we get when we try to gain. What I really meant to say was that, for almost a year, I never reach 150 lbs even if I eat like crazy. The foods I know are healthy (brown rice, sweet potatoes, broccoli, fruits, chicken, oatmeal, avocados). I've reached 3200 cals which is even more beyond my macros. Maybe because I move a lot.

    Lastly, you mention intensity, but not much on your routine set up. Do you use more intensity than volume say?
    When I say intensity, I meant heavy weights, few reps like around 4-6 but 5-6 sets. I also try to rest not more than a minute. I usually target 45 sec rest.

    Thanks for the encouragement!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post

    I'm aware of the fat that we get when we try to gain. What I really meant to say was that, for almost a year, I never reach 150 lbs even if I eat like crazy. The foods I know are healthy (brown rice, sweet potatoes, broccoli, fruits, chicken, oatmeal, avocados). I've reached 3200 cals which is even more beyond my macros. Maybe because I move a lot.
    Well, if you are using more energy to lift heavier weights, then the food you are consuming is most likely "maintaining" and not necessarily a surplus to gain even more BW. If you want to add some mass, you may want to try bumping up the food intake just a tad and consistently. I might also bet you have (just like most of us) levels in BW, where you stick around or your body tries to maintain as homeostasis. To get up past those I had to add cals.
    Honestly it is much much safer than PHs and will be much longer lasting without much worries, cash, upset hormone balances and health concerns.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    Well, if you are using more energy to lift heavier weights, then the food you are consuming is most likely "maintaining" and not necessarily a surplus to gain even more BW. If you want to add some mass, you may want to try bumping up the food intake just a tad and consistently. I might also bet you have (just like most of us) levels in BW, where you stick around or your body tries to maintain as homeostasis. To get up past those I had to add cals.
    Honestly it is much much safer than PHs and will be much longer lasting without much worries, cash, upset hormone balances and health concerns.
    I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the abbrev BW and PH. What are they?

    Thanks!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post

    I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the abbrev BW and PH. What are they?

    Thanks!
    BW= Body Weight
    PH= ProHormone

    Agree with above mention of not taking in enough calories. Are you tracking what you are eating in terms of Protein, Carbs and Fat (Macros)? I'm 5'6" and 165lbs. My maintenance intake is about 2500 cals or about 250p/250c/60f (grams of each). This is just maintenance. If I'm bulking I usually increase cals by 500.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    BW= Body Weight
    PH= ProHormone

    Agree with above mention of not taking in enough calories. Are you tracking what you are eating in terms of Protein, Carbs and Fat (Macros)? I'm 5'6" and 165lbs. My maintenance intake is about 2500 cals or about 250p/250c/60f (grams of each). This is just maintenance. If I'm bulking I usually increase cals by 500.
    I did before using a phone application. I will have to try it again. What I've been doing lately is just eating tons of food. Like this morning around 6am, I had about 2 cups of brown rice and maybe about 10 oz chicken. Then around 9am, I had 28 pieces of raw almonds and 1 cup greek yogurt. In 30 mins, I will be eating chicken gyro. It's a big gyro 7-8 inches long and about 3-3.5 inches in diameter. Tons of shredded chicken. Around 3pm, I will be eating raw almonds again and greek yogurt. Around 4:30, always eat double quarter pounder from McDonalds(hahaha) with bottled water. Then at 7pm, I work out. Around 8, I drink my whey protein with 1/2 cup dry oats, 2 tbsp peanut butter, 8 pieces strawberries, 1 banana, iso-100 dymatize, and 1 cup goat milk. Few minutes after this, I eat 2 cups of brown rice again, 1/2 broccoli, and 10oz chicken breast. And before I sleep around 1am, I eat another cup of greek yogurt. This is normally what I eat daily.

    Oh sometimes, chipotle double chicken fajita burrito during lunch

    I will calculate this tonight.

  19. I ran that daily intake in my iPhone app and it's about: 4700 cals 369p/456c/153f. You should be getting fat around the waist with this diet! Lol

    I wonder if you are estimating amounts correctly, 10 oz of chicken is about 3 full breasts. Hmm. You should be putting on weight.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    I ran that daily intake in my iPhone app and it's about: 4700 cals 369p/456c/153f. You should be getting fat around the waist with this diet! Lol

    I wonder if you are estimating amounts correctly, 10 oz of chicken is about 3 full breasts. Hmm. You should be putting on weight.
    I do have fats in my waist but not much. I ran 2-3 a week. Man, I can't believe I am eating that much! What application is that?

  21. I'll post a picture of my body.

  22. Using app called Protein Tracker. Your exercise intensity is way up there with the running. Do you have a Heart Rate monitor? I have one that works with a wrist watch computer. When I work out I wear it to track how many cals I'm burning and then adjust my food intake. I'm 53 and this has helped put mass on me.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Using app called Protein Tracker. Your exercise intensity is way up there with the running. Do you have a Heart Rate monitor? I have one that works with a wrist watch computer. When I work out I wear it to track how many cals I'm burning and then adjust my food intake. I'm 53 and this has helped put mass on me.
    No, I don't have a heart rate monitor.

    This is me about late June this year. I'm a little bigger today.
    http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7334/ymri.jpg

  24. Quote Originally Posted by v1rt View Post
    I do have fats in my waist but not much. I ran 2-3 a week. Man, I can't believe I am eating that much! What application is that?
    I use livestrong for the Iphone, it is free and good.
  25. Looking for another route ... starting to lose hope


    Edited because I can.

  26. Hey, your memory starts to fade at 40..........

  27. Quote Originally Posted by pappybay View Post
    Hey, your memory starts to fade at 40..........
    Ok. A typo is justified

  28. Age withdrawal!!! HAHAHA! I'm really 42. Not sure why I wrote 41. I'll have to find where I posted it.

  29. I removed 41 from that post. It's good now. I'm 39, hahaha jk

    Anyways, my annual physical checkup is on the 29th. I'll mention all the test that was posted earlier.

  30. Well, it may be true that as older guys workout and start moving towards healthier lifestyles, they do decrease their aging, so ha ha, you're youthing not aging...!
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