Backing off the T before blood work?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by cas1981 View Post
    Not to sound stupid but what's an AI?... I don't want to be a fat kid
    Aromatase Inhibitor,
    Exemestane, Arimidex, letrozole, torem...., something


  2. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Aromatase Inhibitor,
    Exemestane, Arimidex, letrozole, torem...., something
    Quote Originally Posted by cas1981 View Post
    Not to sound stupid but what's an AI?... I don't want to be a fat kid
    I am no expert on the subject, so either somebody will chime in and tell you all about it or you should do some research. Research either way, plenty of info in this board and on the net

  3. I like exemestane but I've never tried arimidex
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  4. Here's what I do, my Rx has gone up to 300mg/wk this way, and that's plenty for me at my age and for my goals: about 2 weeks before twice a year labs, I start a taper down to about 140 mg per week. I do my injections 3x per week, and skip the one before the blood is drawn so I get it a good "Trough". The doctor see's I'm at high levels but still physiological levels, prescription stays at 300mg a week, and everyone's happy. The funny look from the pharmacist is responded by me with "doc says I'm a fast metabolizer." I also get Arimidex and hCG by prescription. Took a few years to tune everything, but I'm plenty happy now.

  5. Yeah that sounds like a good plan. I'll find out what he suggests tomorrow

  6. So the doc doubled my testosterone today which is cool but my blood work came back a little janky I think probably because I was loading with a really high dose and then stopped altogether three weeks before getting my levels checked. My bad cholesterol was high (wich is weird for me) by blood protein was low and my blood pressure was through the roof. Any thoughts ?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by cas1981 View Post
    So the doc doubled my testosterone today which is cool but my blood work came back a little janky I think probably because I was loading with a really high dose and then stopped altogether three weeks before getting my levels checked. My bad cholesterol was high (wich is weird for me) by blood protein was low and my blood pressure was through the roof. Any thoughts ?
    What were your T levels?

  8. 225 but that's because I stopped my injections all together

  9. Quote Originally Posted by cas1981 View Post
    225 but that's because I stopped my injections all together
    Ok, so none?
    My doc says that i can't legally do it at home, where do you live?

  10. Oregon
  11. Backing off the T before blood work?


    Quote Originally Posted by cas1981 View Post
    Oregon
    I wonder it is a state thing. That sucks!
    I would be in my way to lots of TRT if I was doing home injections.
    They gave me the option of using gels and such or going in bi-weekly for injections. I have to check on the laws where I am, cause I would much rather be doing it myself.

  12. My first Dr. Wouldn't let me do it at home but the Dr I have now does....I hear the gels are a lot better then the shots. I'm not sure though but its worth looking into

  13. A couple reasons... test cream is heavily pushed by sales reps. I'm sure the docs get the most profit from it. There's not as much liability with cream v needles.
    I'd get the rx, then tell him you're worried about swimming, kids, etc. And ask for the injects. That's what I did. Otherwise I'd get the rx from him, then go to another doc.
    Not really sure about laws but insulin is injected... sounds like he's trying to cover his arse and doesn't want the liability/responsibility of a patient who self injects

  14. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    A couple reasons... test cream is heavily pushed by sales reps. I'm sure the docs get the most profit from it. There's not as much liability with cream v needles.
    I'd get the rx, then tell him you're worried about swimming, kids, etc. And ask for the injects. That's what I did. Otherwise I'd get the rx from him, then go to another doc.
    Not really sure about laws but insulin is injected... sounds like he's trying to cover his arse and doesn't want the liability/responsibility of a patient who self injects
    Or they want to get paid for doing the injections. Office visit + test + supplies = profit.
    If I were self injecting, the damn walmart pharmacy or whatever would be seeing the largest profit.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Or they want to get paid for doing the injections. Office visit + test + supplies = profit.
    If I were self injecting, the damn walmart pharmacy or whatever would be seeing the largest profit.
    Even on TRT gel or cream, the doc's office wouldn't be involved as much. She was pushing hard for the injections, which is what I wanted anyhow.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    Even on TRT gel or cream, the doc's office wouldn't be involved as much. She was pushing hard for the injections, which is what I wanted anyhow.
    Copay every visit? They told me the nurse could do it real quick and no copay. But I said my wife will do it. But I also went to like 5 docs before ultimately going back to the first one (endo)

  17. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    Ok, so none?
    My doc says that i can't legally do it at home, where do you live?
    It is not illegal in Alabama.....

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bigt405 View Post
    It is not illegal in Alabama.....
    Nice to know. What about Georgia? I live in Alabama, but my doc is in georgia (stationed at Fort Benning)

  19. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Copay every visit? They told me the nurse could do it real quick and no copay. But I said my wife will do it. But I also went to like 5 docs before ultimately going back to the first one (endo)
    No copay, but you bet they are billing your insurance every time you walk in the door

  20. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    No copay, but you bet they are billing your insurance every time you walk in the door
    That's why they are rich and I am poor. I need a job where I bill insurance instead of the client!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    Nice to know. What about Georgia? I live in Alabama, but my doc is in georgia (stationed at Fort Benning)
    Not illegal in Georgia

  22. Quote Originally Posted by atl3128 View Post
    Not illegal in Georgia
    Thanks. I am going to talk to my doc again in that case.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    Thanks. I am going to talk to my doc again in that case.
    Yes, never settle!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by usarugbyfan View Post
    Here's what I do, my Rx has gone up to 300mg/wk this way, and that's plenty for me at my age and for my goals: about 2 weeks before twice a year labs, I start a taper down to about 140 mg per week. I do my injections 3x per week, and skip the one before the blood is drawn so I get it a good "Trough". The doctor see's I'm at high levels but still physiological levels, prescription stays at 300mg a week, and everyone's happy. The funny look from the pharmacist is responded by me with "doc says I'm a fast metabolizer." I also get Arimidex and hCG by prescription. Took a few years to tune everything, but I'm plenty happy now.
    What is your hCG and Arimidex protocol?

  25. 300mg per week? Wow that's high for a TRT dose I don't think I have ever seen anyone on a dose that high before. The most I have seen is 250. How do you take it all in one shot or divided and do you take an AI?

  26. FYI
    I was doing some where around 700mg a month broken into weekly shots. Had blood work done 47 days after last injection. PSA came back at 1.9 which wasn't bad to men, but prompted him to stop my treatment and send me to endo. Couldn't get dr to run E2 not sure if thst contributed to psa. All other levels checked out.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by punisher55 View Post
    What is your hCG and Arimidex protocol?
    500iu 2-3 times a week, .25-.5mg ed or eod as needed (per both labs and how I feel)

  28. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Or they want to get paid for doing the injections. Office visit + test + supplies = profit.
    If I were self injecting, the damn walmart pharmacy or whatever would be seeing the largest profit.
    They could get paid for a nurse visit, but they have to have a LPN or RN, NOT worth the money......
  

  
 

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