Good read on health issues effected by steroid use
- 01-21-2013, 02:02 AM
I stumbled across this and I found it very informative. I had a heart attack mid cycle last February (500ml test-e ew). No blockages were found nor real health related causes got it were found either. The cardiologist said my blood was pumping slow like molasses. Turns out that polycythemia is a condition that can be caused by high level steroid use and its symptoms are exactly the same as what I experienced which lead to what they called a "minor heart attack". My cardiologist told me that my testosterone use was not likely the contributor yet I find this evidence that proves otherwise and describes my symptoms to a T, and that the likely cause may have been this condition completely overlooked by my cardiologist. Anyway, there is alot of good info this guy writes to look into if you have any heart issues or other concerns related to your TRT or bodybuilding steroid use.
- 01-21-2013, 06:15 AM
- 01-21-2013, 06:30 AM
01-21-2013, 06:34 AM
As true as that article is, running 500mg/w is not running TRT. A 500mg/w cycle is far above the clinical range test levels that TRT patients adhere to. Therefore you are likely, and obviously in your case, to have a far greater risk than what a clinical level true TRT patient would. You were not on TRT and were on far greater than TRT dosage.
01-21-2013, 12:24 PM
01-21-2013, 12:32 PM
No, you did not. You were cycling supra-physiological levels of testosterone and had deleterious health effects and then reference a TRT article. While on a clinical level or testosterone it is very manageable and rather unlikely that someone will experience what you did, although, not impossible.
My point is that clarification is quite relevant.
Here's to good health.
01-21-2013, 12:49 PM
01-21-2013, 01:01 PM
01-31-2013, 11:41 AM
I,m having trouble keeping my from getting too thick from 100ml of Cyp. a week. I stay plenty hydrated and still have to keep an eye on it. I would like to add a PH or some other AAS once in a while, but not sure which ones would possibly increase my blood levels. Do all possibly add to this problem ????? Thoughts.....
02-04-2013, 01:53 PM
02-05-2013, 01:39 PM
I,m on DR. supervised TRT and I will have another blood test in March to see where the levels are at and go from there. I do a double red blood cell draw at the blood bank, but it can only be done every four months. I told them my issues and they told me this would do more for me than just donating the normal way. My Hemocrit was 56 when I went in with red face and neck most all the time, this was in Dec. I had a blood test done 10 days later and Hemocrit was 44, then another test 3 weeks later and it was back up to 49. I,m amazed how guys do a gram a week of test and not be as red as I am.....
02-05-2013, 11:16 PM
02-06-2013, 11:50 AM
The blood bank will give someone the option to do either, what I do takes about an hour. Unless Dr, authorized they will only do it every four months. I am not able to donate before the four months either way. I agree four months is a long time in between, but this is the info Ive been given...
02-06-2013, 01:11 PM
In addition to the height and weight and frequency restrictions you also need to be CMV-negative
Everytime I donate they always tell me I have the special blood (CMV-negative blood) and confirm (remind or invite me to because it is special) that I will be doing a double red donation.What does it mean to have CMV negative blood? Can I still donate?
Yes! Cytomegalovirus (CMV) is a common virus carried by more than half of the population. Most people who have the virus never know it and for the average, healthy person, CMV does not cause a problem. However, for patients whose immune systems are not functioning properly, (such as premature babies, cancer patients and others who cannot fight infection), CMV can be life-threatening. While testing for CMV is not universally required for all blood donations, we perform the test on a selection of donated units to make sure we have an ample supply of CMV-negative blood ready when it is needed.
Personally I prefer the double red for the logical conclusion: they take twice the volume of red and it's properties. Even though I can donate less frequently I feel it is more efficient and effective at controlling my blood cares. I do it for iron/ferritin as well as RBC and hematocrit control.
02-07-2013, 12:58 AM
David, do your blood levels actually stay more stable for the long duration opposed to what they would be if you chose to donate the regular amount more frequently? (Assuming a regular donation period would be once every 8 weeks)
If so is that common or more determined case by case?
And do you feel or notice any kind of side effects negative or positive after donation?
02-07-2013, 10:48 AM
I wish I had data. I have done it for precautions for years. None of my values have ever come back elevated.
I did just recently have my anual blood work draw. I am waiting for my results. I will be donating again here shortly. I will look into the possibility of running a CBC after to see any quantifiable significance.
02-07-2013, 07:49 PM
I'm going to try and do bloods once before, twice during (planning a long, low dose cycle test e), and once after pct my next cycle. It'll be a couple months at least before I start but I'm going to log all my blood info. It'll be interesting to see how the donations affect blood levels. I'm not really sure how I should time the bloods, before or after donations. I think the first one should be before I pin or donatation to serve as kind of a control.
02-08-2013, 07:40 AM
i just went thru this ( super hi counts ) hemoglobins 20.1 and hematacrits 57.4 ( yes walking stroke , h.a. victim) , caught them at a routine blood test . since i have been doing regular phelabotomys ( sp) all the while running 175mg test and 10mg dbol ... my counts have dramatically dropped 15.1 and 43.5 , respectively ...
02-08-2013, 09:55 AM
02-08-2013, 11:12 PM
02-09-2013, 02:03 PM
02-09-2013, 02:05 PM
02-09-2013, 04:36 PM
It is safe then to assume that you may not be required to be CMV-negative to donate double red. My blood is documented CMV-negative (your may or may not be documented depending upon who you donate with - their data base may or may not have your status) in their data base and is that "special" blood I was referring to for things "such as premature babies, cancer patients and others who cannot fight infection"Originally Posted by David Dunn
02-09-2013, 05:58 PM
I will ask about this next visit.....
02-09-2013, 07:41 PM
Depending upon your hemoglobin and hematocrit levels, some donors centers will qualify you for the double red cell erythrocytapheresis donation based on those values alone. Definitely discuss it with your doctor prior and have a CBC not just your Hgb/HCT checked as that will not show the entire picture alone. O negative type patients are encouraged due to its rarity just like CMV neg. As David mentioned earlier, blood donations are also useful for controlling your iron levels which is important and often overlooked.
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02-10-2013, 09:56 AM
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