Does your body "adapt" to TRT?
- 01-02-2013, 09:43 PM
Does your body "adapt" to TRT?
Probably a dumb question and yes I have searched threads and read for hours in forums.
Does your body get "used to" a certain level of test and the intended effect is diminished?
Will a certain amount of test allow you to get to a certain level of supportable muscle mass after which you will plateau and stop making gains? If yes, is there some general rule of thumb which determines the relationship between quantity of test and growth potential ( obviously there is some relationship, I am just trying to figure out what to expect).
- 01-03-2013, 11:54 AM
in for some info on this
- 01-03-2013, 12:43 PM
I'll answer this from personal experience and see if anyone chimes in with actual medical proof.
From a mental health stand point:
I notice that I am much more "even" after being on TRT for a couple years now. There isn't anymore guessing with dosage and timing, and I feel great from inject to inject e6d. Confidence is always up, and I rarely have any down thoughts or feel "bummed" about day to day things.
From a body composition standpoint:
Genetics has always allowed me to put on muscle very easily, and even with low 200's test, I was able to maintain most of it with a lot of hard work. TRT allowed me completely change this. The same workouts have allowed me to pack on about 10lbs of solid muscle, but the way I carry it is different. I routinely get asked what I am on and what I am doing because my shoulders widened, forearms grew, ass got bigger, and my calves have veins always popping out. That being said, if I want to add or drop 5-8lbs from here, I simply switch up my diet. My composition is no longer changing due to TRT dosages, and I simply look like a dude that works his ass off. To get to another level, more test and other supplements would be needed. I have no desire for that.
From a health standpoint:
Never been healthier. I've mentioned this, but I simply don't get sick anymore and I recover in next to no time. I can go and do a workout that makes me barely able to walk and the next day I am ready to get back on it. I couldn't do that in my 20s. To me, this is one of the best perks.
01-03-2013, 01:20 PM
01-03-2013, 01:36 PM
Could not disagree more. Most guys are not walking around with test levels that those of us on TRT are on, and are also subject to a lot of outside influence with regards to stress, sleep, etc when their body is naturally producing it. Especially guys in our age brackets, who are likely in the 500-600 range when they are healthy. After injection, we can be walking around with 1000-1300 levels for days, and that is certainly going to be beneficial to muscle building, composition, and recovery.
It's not until it is time for the next injection that most of us are at the level that the average guy is walking around at.
01-03-2013, 01:46 PM
01-03-2013, 01:49 PM
yeah, I guess not everybody on TRT is looking to cycle at higher doses. I forgot about that
01-03-2013, 10:06 PM
I just do not want to be disappointed in my goal to move my weight from 180 to 205-215 and maintain that weight.
BTW, thank you very much for your comments, they are appreciated.
01-03-2013, 10:17 PM
01-04-2013, 07:00 AM
01-04-2013, 09:08 AM
In short- yes, you will gain more on TRT than someone that is not on TRT and does not have natural levels on the very high end of the range, which is almost no one. You will also reap the rewards of everything TRT brings along with those physical gains.
You will reach a point that you max out those benefits like anyone else that is keeping their diet, rest, and workouts at their best or near. After that, you will need to add more test and/or other supplementation to get to the next level- whatever that may be for you. I personally, am at that level and completely fine with it. I am not a body builder, but rather a strength trainer that is involved in a lot of competitive activities. It would not be beneficial for me to carry around 225lbs of mass, but I know that I easily could running another 150mg of test a week.
01-04-2013, 01:46 PM
I will say one thing though I upped my test a couple days ago for the next few weeks. I feel so good, I've literally been whistling around the house. I'm like wtf, even to myself. I'm giddy
01-04-2013, 01:50 PM
01-04-2013, 01:54 PM
too long... 500 for 10 weeks? Whatcha think?
01-04-2013, 01:57 PM
it will still suck the first month or two back at the 150 a week range, but it will be just a relative thing. You'll have had over 2 months at more testosterone in you than 3 18 year olds put together. So being back to normal will be a drag at first. the main health risk is the high red blood cell count, but that will take longer to be a big issue
01-04-2013, 07:13 PM
i have been on trt for 8 yrs...i have never come off trt in that time..i have found it best to inject e3d to keep blood levels stable..one thing to keep in mind as men age towards and past 40 hormonal changes occur....as e2 increases it binds to the testosterone receptor sites in the body..increased e2 also creates higher SHBG levels..so both of these reduce the amount of free test in the body..as you age you need to look into a increase in the amount of AI's you use..i know of one male over 40 who now requires 1mg of adex ed on 200mg of test cyp ew to maintain normal e2 levels...so keep the e2 in check...
01-05-2013, 11:41 AM
Very good advice. Have you tried to use HCG at all and if so, what was the result? I will have my SHBG tested on my next labs. Have you ever used maca to help with e2 (estrogen??) levels?
01-05-2013, 01:19 PM
I'm thinking about hcg. My balls are smalls and it feels weird.
01-05-2013, 04:18 PM
HCG is very expensive for vanity, imo. Plus, it can add to e2 issues and make you bloated. I ran it for 3 bottles because I also felt weird with my nuts shrinking, but I had sides I didn't like. I literally would bloat up worse than if I was on creatine mono and get real moody. But my nuts looked great. LOL.
I couldn't find it under $125 a bottle for 30 days worth.
01-05-2013, 05:20 PM
OK good to know. Actually, I think my E2 was getting too high. I started exemestane today and placebo or not, I think that was what I needed. Not sure erase pro was strong enough.
01-05-2013, 07:57 PM
If HCG in fact keeps the testes functioning at small dose levels (250 per week based on threads on this forum), I thought why not. My MD has a different opinion and he is the one writing the scripts......
01-05-2013, 08:06 PM
yeah, same here. But if you look at some of the anti aging clinics, they include hcg and AI's with trt as standard procedure... Funny how that works
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01-10-2013, 06:24 AM
01-10-2013, 06:30 AM
3F, your point is well taken and I agree in theory. I would hate for ( and I know you guys will be the h beat of me verbally for this) Obama's administration to make changes in healthcare that could cause problems with my TRT program (insurance coverage, etc.) or for some reason I could not afford the TRT, I would be stuck with a set of testes that had not produced in many years. There seem to be many "research paper" and personal observations about challenges with a test restart in those situations.
This conspiracy logic is the only reason I am interested in the HCG.
01-10-2013, 06:33 AM
Regarding MACA, I have stated a run and will give everyone my observations (probably belongs in supplement section). It is noted to help with AI and lift sexual function. Probably smoke and mirrors although it has been around and used for thousands of years......
01-10-2013, 07:37 AM
01-10-2013, 07:59 AM
Wow, this thread took a turn for the worse. So now we are talking about taking a drug because of made up theory on what the current administration might do.
01-10-2013, 06:24 PM
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01-10-2013, 09:03 PM
Something I am trying which was suggested in another forum is to load syringes with HCG then freeze them. There is supposed to be some research out there somewhere saying that this works. Doing this I can get 20 weeks at 250 per week out of one 10000IU vial. If my testicles stay big then I guess I'll know it's working.
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