this exactly, I know many people on TRT even still cycle just to gain more muscle but if you are on TRT you should just gain like the average person, Doc's don't prescribe it to make regular guys huge haha
Not sure how you came to 1 iu/day. As kisaj noted, there is to much variability from person to person. Example: I've been on .5 iu, went to the endo yesterday and my igf-1 was in the 500's. He said that was a bit high, so he had me decrease it to .4iu's.
gains are finally starting to show after busting my ass though. Maybe the TRT did help a bit.
true, some ppl dont absorb very well through the skin.
bump - anyone have any input here? I know all doctors are different, but do you think my doc isn't putting me on any trt because he thinks my levels just aren't low enough? Is there some threshold where they usually say "yep, he needs trt". Here are my levels again:
The question is this, do you want to do test or fix your problem? Sounds to me that you want to get on test in which case why go to the doctor if you want to cycle?
This is what I keep thinking - perhaps I'm getting shafted on gains because of low T. However, my libido has also been in the crapper, as well as energy levels and just feeling older than I am in general, so I can't help but think trt could improve my situation on many levels. I've read too many positive experiences to think it wouldn't help. I know it's not a decision to take lightly, but I may go see my doc, as I haven't talked to him about my results. The nurse called and just told me he thinks my T looks ok. He could be receptive to putting me on trt - I'll just have to talk to him.
When you need it, it's a condition like any other other conditions and age doesnt really matter. In reality as one gets past 40 is more likley to suffer is not a age written in stone though.
I started at age 45. I started having low T symptoms at around 40. I wish I would have started sooner, but couldn't find a doctor who would treat me.
I would consider 221 as below normal, especially when age adjusted. A chart I have from a study which shows average total testosterone by age in healthy men does not show anything as low as 221. The lowest is 376 for the 85-100 year old group. The 35-44 age group shows an average of 668. The thing to remember, which doctors don't seem to remember is that any lab range is based on the usual or "normal" range for most patients. This includes sick as well as healthy people, and considering that most people who have lab work done are not healthy or they wouldn't be having lab work done, lab ranges tend to be the "normal" for unhealthy people. Not the optimal ranges for healthy people.
Yup, thyroid numbers were all within normal range.
I am on test cyp at 100mg/week. I self inject 43mg every three days in order to avoid high peaks and low troughs. I had a testosterone test done yesterday a day after my shot. The level was 1335 with a lab range of males 20-49 years old 262-1593. That's a pretty broad range. Tomorrow, the morning of my next shot, I am getting it tested again before injection to see what my low level is. If it is pretty high I may lower my dose a little. He isn't checking free and bioavailable test, but I can use an on line calculator and insert my usual SHBG and albumin and estimate that free T is probably about 221 range 47-244 and bioavailable T is probably about 494 range 130-680.
Really?! It's THAT high a dose in your opinion? Great
Oh okay, cool....I'll ask my doc if I can split the dose from here on in so I'm dosing 200mg/wk instead of 400mg every two weeks...if I experience fluctuations in how I'm feeling, I'll try to take 100mg twice a week but that might be tough cause the test is 200mg/ml.
Just do .5ml to get 100mg test.Oh okay, cool....I'll ask my doc if I can split the dose from here on in so I'm dosing 200mg/wk instead of 400mg every two weeks...if I experience fluctuations in how I'm feeling, I'll try to take 100mg twice a week but that might be tough cause the test is 200mg/ml.
Thanks for all your help.
It's not the math that's the problem (LOL)....it's more like I'm not that experienced with measuring this stuff out and thought it might be hard to eyeball 0.5ml on the syringe...but I guess it's not that big of a deal. So, 100mg twice a week is better than 200mg once per week? Sorry for all the dumbass questions.
The syringes I use are marked at each hundredth of a ml so accuracy is easy. I use 1/2" 30g insulin syringes. Though the needle is fairly short I don't have much fat so I get it into the muscle quite well if not very deep. This needle is so thin that it is virtually painless. A good thing when injecting frequently. I inject every three days.
What kind of symptoms did you get from high T? I've been noticing a lot of anxiety and a generally buzzy feeing the day after injection. Not what I was expecting from high testosterone. I don't think this is an E2 issue since I know what my high E2 symptoms are, breast/nipple pain.
