What is the RIGHT testosterone level?
- 05-05-2012, 09:36 AM
What is the RIGHT testosterone level?
I have been doing TRT injectable therapy for months now. In talking with several different healthcare pros, the suggested numbers are all over the board in terms of proper levels and it is very confusing for me. When I started I was at 242 and got it up to 932 within a few months. I have been told everything from "that is way too high" to "bumping you to 1200" would be good. It seems to me that the number should be proceeded by how I am feeling but not sure. I have seen PA's, and endocrinologist, an MD and next week going to see a D.O. to further confuse my situation. Any suggestions out there? I am 55 yrs old and intend on long term use as it makes a big difference in my life. I dont want to get crazy just try and lean out, and maintain a good energy level. Thanks in advance for any info!!!
- 05-05-2012, 07:51 PM
- 05-05-2012, 11:47 PM
Thanks for that Detroit, how would I go about learning how to read the panels? What is your opinion about testosterone/HCG/anastrozole as a protocol?
05-06-2012, 12:12 PM
You're on TRT, so HCG and Adex are good. I'd take 250iu of HCG twice a week, one the day before your next injection. Arimidex is really as-needed, so you may not need it. If I'm cruising at 200mgs a week, my E2 is around 18, so I don't need it. Find out where you are on your E2 and then decide if you really need to take Arimidex. My guess is you won't need it, but have it on hand just in case.
05-06-2012, 12:15 PM
Anything between 600-1200 is probably where you want to be. Like mentioned above, watch your cholesterol as exogenous test will drop hdl and raise ldl dose dependently.
Personally, I like 125-150mg a week for trt/health, as I feel like a million bucks and have almost zero side effects aside from slightly lowered hdl.
If you are going to use hcg, do 250iu with every shot of test. As far as aromatase inhibitors go, don't use it unless estrogen levels are too high. And if you do use it, make sure your estrogen levels stay above 10ng/dl. It's a trial and error thing, so you will need several sets of blood work to determine optimal dose.
Hope that helps you...
05-22-2012, 02:01 PM
I supplement with Androderm 4mg per day. I'm 66yrs old. My doc says my test level is "9". What does that mean, given the numbers I see here in the thousands?
05-22-2012, 02:05 PM
05-24-2012, 11:19 AM
If it was me i would go by what feels good rather than a number. Quality of life is what you want rather than an arbitrary quantification of whats going on. If you feel great at 450 and are healthy then why mess with it? It's better than 1500 and bloated, lethargic and hypertensive...even if you are strong and low body fat.
05-24-2012, 12:04 PM
05-26-2012, 06:28 PM
A lot of good feedback here. At 66, I would guess your goal is overall health and well being and that any trt would be to maintain a healthy, midrange of testosterone, regardless of the lab normal ranges. I've had levels as high as 4100 which felt great and bad at the same time and as low as 68 which felt terrible. I find a range between 500-700 is optimal for most fitness goals and the impact on your CBC, hematocrit, and lipid panel is reasonable and manageable with attention to proper nutrition and aerobic exercise vital. At 66, a weekly dose of 150-250 ml (cyp or maybe t-prop) would likely suffice, however labs at 3 or 6 month intervals would be prudent to review health and manage side effects. Although there is still disagreement over the reliability of raw PSA values, labs at 3-6 month intervals should include a PSA test to ensure your PSA and PSA velocity is within age specific normal ranges.
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